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Happy with that. Not sure anyone’s questioned anyone’s bravery? (edited to add, just reflecting, one of my pals in a pistolero outfit, of the type people buy books about, in pre-ceasefire NI, put one of his blokes on remedial pistol training when the bloke wounded, but didn’t kill, an RPG wannabe who appeared out of a doorway in front of him. Good training is just good training).

Hmmm. I suspect the low overshoot impression is more about how rarely the police open up and how few shots they tend to fire when they do…. and luck, vis: bus almost 50% of shots ‘lost’ at a short range at a static target, in the centre of London, even accounting for stress, strikes me as ‘a lot’.

Yup, always used to be some darts-player-physique type saying that about military shooting too - best thing is to offer them to suit-up in 30 or 40 pounds of kit, do a quick bleep test or run 200m and then show that skill whilst someone tries to kill them, maybe?

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😂 Are non-CTSFOs still on 5.56? Pretty depressing if the 300’s ability to neutralise is what was seen on the bridge

Before or after the event in question?

Point taken. Don’t know what bullet that is, but even ss109 fragments like the top row ‘point blank’ and anything torso at that distance has very very low survivability. Hence my surprise at the qunt sitting up. The drop-off your pic shows sub 2500 is marked. A pencil. Now, if they were using TBBC projectiles too…

Sorry, that bit wasn’t at you! It was at the people saying ‘how brave’ and missing the point that he shouldn’t be able to sit up after two point-blank hits, I sense there’s a weapon system issue at play.

Possibly - no idea what the MV drops to, not how it equates at <20ft to a round from a ‘normal’ barrel. Knowing that even ball ammo fragments at the sort of distances seen here, I’d hazard a guess they’re using ammo designed to defeat barricades etc …and it’s pencilled through….. literally the wrong bullets

Umm, the thread wasn’t criticising the police; it was questioning the effectiveness of whatever this qunt was being hit with. 2 rounds of 5.56 point blank (if that’s what hit him first) shouldn’t be something a person sits up from 10 minutes later. I suspect they may, literally, be using the wrong bullets. ( that said, as regards stress-shooting, I’d stand correction, but I believe that these armed cops are CT types, selected and trained to respond to specifically these situations - and, being totally objective, at the distances involved, 9 ‘lost shots’ at a single sedentary/prone (ie static) target is ‘surprising’.)

No idea. I’m armchair commandoing it from the news pics.

Assumed it was 5.56 at about 10ft for the first two. They’re using the wrong bullet, if he sat up from that.

11 to stop?! 😳 What were they using, blanks?

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Someone was bored! If you’re familiar with What3words (which is brilliant), this might give 2 mins amusement: https://www.fourkingmaps.co.uk

Long range shooting in UK seems to be hampered by a handful of bitter, self-absorbed and ego-driven individuals. It’s most odd. It’s rather like the behaviour one used to see from some deer stalkers doing land-grabs and trying to malign all others sharing the same hobby. Reportedly, there’s similar unpleasantness going on between RMPRA and the PRL people. The only places that seem above this are the two long-range ranges operating as businesses.

I'll wager you'll find zero snipers carrying it 😉

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The opposite, I think. These tripods aren't 'an act of war' in real shooting terms, other than, perhaps, for static police shooters, so they're a sort of 'gaming cheat', let's face it, Stephen Hawking could have shot well with one, so where's the skill? It seems to be a race for who can build the lightest portable benchrest, rather than field shooting...about as practical in the real world as having a fridge in your rucksack, yet they're now 'the thing' in tacticool competition and they're ubiquitous in that niche. Just musing.

When did tripod-mounted rifles become 'it'? I really struggle not see them as ot very real-world (whatever that is!) and gaming away the skill that came with improvised solutions. A sort of 'I'm pretending to shoot real-world, but gaming 'cheats'' mobile bench rest. Thoughts?

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The easiest way of explaining the RAF Regiment to civvies....... It's like a family: The Royal Navy is the oldest child, Mum and Dad made all their parenting mistakes with him. The Army is the middle son, they are the explorers who left home and no one cared. The Royal Marines are the youngest and Mum and Dad let them do whatever they want. Well, Mum and Dad got a divorce once all the boys had grown up. Mum got remarried to a rich bloke and quickly gave birth to a fourth son, the Royal Air Force. She loves him the most, showers him with the best toys and buys him whatever he wants. When they go on holiday, they fly first class, stay in five star hotels and enjoy the finest meals. The RAF is spoiled rotten and his three older brothers bitterly resent him for this. Finally there is the RAF Regiment. The RAF Regiment is the rich stepfathers illegitimate son from a fling with a filthy prostitute during the seven year itch. None of the other brothers think or act like he's part of the family and treat him like the unwanted ginger b@stard stepchild that nobody wants.