abolter Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I have a Nightforce 8-36 scope and now a 12-50 PMII. The problem is which one do I put on the 22/250 and which on the 30-06? Both shoot very accurately and I had always thought I would use the 22/250 for long range daytime stuff so I put the nightforce on the 30-06. Its minimum mag is better suited to stalking also. I will only be shooting critters, no paper. What would you guys do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I have a Nightforce 8-36 scope and now a 12-50 PMII. The problem is which one do I put on the 22/250 and which on the 30-06? Both shoot very accurately and I had always thought I would use the 22/250 for long range daytime stuff so I put the nightforce on the 30-06. Its minimum mag is better suited to stalking also. I will only be shooting critters, no paper. What would you guys do? Get a stalking scope for the 30-06.It need not be pricey-6 or 8 x S&B,if dusk matters.You won't need x50 for a 22/250.NF is a great scope,just too heavy for a big critter rifle,where dialling and high mag isn't critical.Some reticules are just not hunting friendly,though you don't say what yours are.Sounds a rather expensive way to only have a compromise. Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I have a Nightforce 8-36 scope and now a 12-50 PMII. The problem is which one do I put on the 22/250 and which on the 30-06? Both shoot very accurately and I had always thought I would use the 22/250 for long range daytime stuff so I put the nightforce on the 30-06. Its minimum mag is better suited to stalking also. I will only be shooting critters, no paper. What would you guys do? frankly I sold my big Nightforce and others when I packed in Target shooting. My biggest scope now is a 18x Leupold and I should be quite ok with owning nothing over 12x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted June 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 you guys dont shoot much moorland then? In terms of vermin/stalking there will be work and play. If I fancy "playing" at rabbits at 600 yds plus then I will. If I am stalking then 12x is as much as I use. I cant rule out 300+ yard foxes by any means. Anyway given that I have the scopes then I dont intend to rid myself of them quite so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Buy a S&B 8x56 for the 30 06. then you have an excuse to buy another long range varmint rifle to put the spare scope on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 you guys dont shoot much moorland then? In terms of vermin/stalking there will be work and play. If I fancy "playing" at rabbits at 600 yds plus then I will. If I am stalking then 12x is as much as I use. I cant rule out 300+ yard foxes by any means. Anyway given that I have the scopes then I dont intend to rid myself of them quite so soon. I shoot out to at least 1000 over moorland,for which a 12-42 NF with RR fine reticule is excellent.But I would not want to use this for stalking deer to 300y.Nor would I rush to sell either of your current scopes,but maybe consider a more suitable stalking scope,like an S&B 6 or 8 x,which will be better in low light-12x S&B is not a bad scope,but it isn't ideal either,given it's cost. If you shoot 600,then maybe a 600 rifle is indicated-6BR?-and put the S&B on that,as neither the 22/250 or 30-06 are ideal 600y rifles...? Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I use a 8-32x56 nxs on my 6br I will shoot a thousand yards with it, and that day with you I shot that roe buck at 70ish yards. Never had a problem myself 1000 yards or 50 yards il shoot it. Mate of mine went to a ukv target shoot a while back 600 yard and won it with his 22-250 by a mile because he was getting slated by chaps saying 22-250 ain't no good for range I've seen him shoot 1200 yards with it and its impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 you guys dont shoot much moorland then? In terms of vermin/stalking there will be work and play. If I fancy "playing" at rabbits at 600 yds plus then I will. If I am stalking then 12x is as much as I use. I cant rule out 300+ yard foxes by any means. Anyway given that I have the scopes then I dont intend to rid myself of them quite so soon. Take a look at my location I can shoot 1200 yds off my driveway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 like an S&B 6 or 8 x,which will be better in low light-12x S&B is not a bad scope,but it isn't ideal either,given it's cost. If you shoot 600,then maybe a 600 rifle is indicated-6BR?-and put the S&B on that,as neither the 22/250 or 30-06 are ideal 600y rifles...? Gbal I take on board your low light comment. That would suggest the Nightforce should go on the 30-06 as that has 8x mag? Out of curiousity why would the 30-06 not be any good for 600m?? It shoots 1/2" at 300m so I had assumed it was going to be interesting to push it further. It seems to be only a couple hundred fps slower than my mates 7mm and I am on 160 grainers. I thought the .308 was a popular calibre for long range stuff once over so thought the 30-06 would be fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I take on board your low light comment. That would suggest the Nightforce should go on the 30-06 as that has 8x mag? Out of curiousity why would the 30-06 not be any good for 600m?? It shoots 1/2" at 300m so I had assumed it was going to be interesting to push it further. It seems to be only a couple hundred fps slower than my mates 7mm and I am on 160 grainers. I thought the .308 was a popular calibre for long range stuff once over so thought the 30-06 would be fine? If low light stalking is important,best to try both scopes and pick the better,if there is any discernible difference. A 1/2 inch precision at 300m is quite exceptional in any rifle.There is no reason at all the 30-06 can't be used for 600 m (the reasons for the 308 are not really all about balllistics). My suggestions are based on the useage you inplied-rabbits at 600y-the 30-06 isn't the tool for that.I was assuming the 30-06 was a stalker only.But maybe those assumptions are not valid-it would not be the first time on here that the story graduallly unravels,but we tend to get a happy ending,when all the rekevant info comes out! :-) If the 30-06 is dual use,stalking AND long range,the whole picture changes-you will need the lowest mag for one,and the highest for the other,whichever scope of the two you use. I'd not waste a 1/2 inch @300m barrel on stalking or plinking/rabbits. A .15 moa rifle even in 6ppc and bench rested is hardly routine!! Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furrybean Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Im going to be cheeky and tag onto this thread if thats okay as I was going to post a similar thread myself. What are your guys thoughts on: 3-12x50 PV-N Swaro 6-24x50 PV TDS-4i .243 used mainly for foxing etc 7mm08 as my main stalking rifle Im wanting to have a go at target to 500m but not sure which rifle to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Im going to be cheeky and tag onto this thread if thats okay as I was going to post a similar thread myself. What are your guys thoughts on: 3-12x50 PV-N Swaro 6-24x50 PV TDS-4i .243 used mainly for foxing etc 7mm08 as my main stalking rifle Im wanting to have a go at target to 500m but not sure which rifle to use. Any combination will do it. I'd go for the 243 and 6-24,but it depends on the size of the target-the smaller the target,the more high mag helps! With a 200 zero,and nrmal loads,you will be dropping/drifting in 10 mph wind : 243 85 sgk BC .32 mv 3300 -38/26 inches 7-08 140 NBTip BC.49 mv22800 -45/19 inches Different loads will differ a little,but not much (a few inches unless very different) Crudely put,243 is 3/2 feet;7-08 is 4/2 feet if you just want to try hold over/off,and see bullet splash. Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Im going to be cheeky and tag onto this thread if thats okay as I was going to post a similar thread myself. What are your guys thoughts on: 3-12x50 PV-N Swaro 6-24x50 PV TDS-4i .243 used mainly for foxing etc 7mm08 as my main stalking rifle Im wanting to have a go at target to 500m but not sure which rifle to use. .243 if your not shooting a lot. 24x will give you an edge competitively on paper, easier / more likely to watch mirage and also see your first sighter marked up. I personally wind down to 3x more than up to 12x while stalking etc., If the 7-08 was set up for long range work then I might reconsider that. Reason I say .243" in the main is the availability of 6mm bullets of target type in a range of weights, 7-08 rem as std don't run to good with heavy weight 7mm target bullets (a special might do well though) I take on board your low light comment. That would suggest the Nightforce should go on the 30-06 as that has 8x mag? Out of curiousity why would the 30-06 not be any good for 600m?? It shoots 1/2" at 300m so I had assumed it was going to be interesting to push it further. It seems to be only a couple hundred fps slower than my mates 7mm and I am on 160 grainers. I thought the .308 was a popular calibre for long range stuff once over so thought the 30-06 would be fine? Nothing much wrong with 30-06, other than spotting the fall of shot and the extra surplus kinetic energy it should better a 22-250 I should think (both in factory std format 600 yds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Cheers guys. I have the nightforce on the 30-06 and had a play last night. After about 8 shots I hit an 8" or so rock at 750m!! I was pretty ecstatic as the wind was a bit gusty. I seemed to have only about 4" of vertical variation which to say I was prone off bipod I was pretty chuffed with. We then went along the valley a bit and I hit 3 rabbits (and missed 2) at 380 yards So all in all a good start. As regards the 30-06 I was flabberghasated by its grouping when I set it up and this is what lead me to consider long range and some kit to do it. I do absolutely no target shooting at all so it could be argued it is wasted on me but I'm not complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Cheers guys. I have the nightforce on the 30-06 and had a play last night. After about 8 shots I hit an 8" or so rock at 750m!! I was pretty ecstatic as the wind was a bit gusty. I seemed to have only about 4" of vertical variation which to say I was prone off bipod I was pretty chuffed with. We then went along the valley a bit and I hit 3 rabbits (and missed 2) at 380 yards So all in all a good start. As regards the 30-06 I was flabberghasated by its grouping when I set it up and this is what lead me to consider long range and some kit to do it. I do absolutely no target shooting at all so it could be argued it is wasted on me but I'm not complaining Rocks,rabbits and reality-seems the 30-06 is human after all. A nice example of grouping and field shooting differences,though! Just enjoy it, believe in it,not sure I'd even try another group !! 4" vertical says a lot about the ammo too! Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Cheers guys. I have the nightforce on the 30-06 and had a play last night. After about 8 shots I hit an 8" or so rock at 750m!! I was pretty ecstatic as the wind was a bit gusty. I seemed to have only about 4" of vertical variation which to say I was prone off bipod I was pretty chuffed with. We then went along the valley a bit and I hit 3 rabbits (and missed 2) at 380 yards So all in all a good start. As regards the 30-06 I was flabberghasated by its grouping when I set it up and this is what lead me to consider long range and some kit to do it. I do absolutely no target shooting at all so it could be argued it is wasted on me but I'm not complaining There you go nowt wrong wi that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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