300 Yard target rifle

[247sniper]

Hi guys,

 

For target/comp shooting out to 300 yards, what caliber would you recommend?

 

I was thinking about 6.5x47? Whats your thoughts and views fellas?

 

 

 

Steve.

[Elwood]

6MM BR or 6MM PPC

[Alycidon]

I use a heavy 20BR, works well, I prefer it personally to my 6PPC.

 

A

[londonhunter]

I use a heavy 20BR, works well, I prefer it personally to my 6PPC.

 

A

 

 

I sense you were referring to ISSF 300m competition in 3 positions ? Or prone only

 

This discipline is shot under time constraints and it is dominated by 6mmBR

 

Most competitors shoots black diamond factory ammo from Lapua

 

There is a dedicated club at Bisley for this discipline

 

Please google if you are interested

[1066]

I sense you were referring to ISSF 300m competition in 3 positions ? Or prone only

 

This discipline is shot under time constraints and it is dominated by 6mmBR

 

Most competitors shoots black diamond factory ammo from Lapua

 

There is a dedicated club at Bisley for this discipline

 

Please google if you are interested

 

I really enjoy shooting the 6br and ideal at 300yds but why would they want to shoot factory ammo?

[247sniper]

Hi guys, thanks for the reply's so far.

 

The rifle will mainly be for shooting prone with. What advantages does the 6mmBR have over the 6.5x47?

 

Thsnks

 

 

STEVE.

[6mmBR]

A lot less recoil for rapid strings of fire.

Cheers

Dave

[gbal]

Hi guys,

 

For target/comp shooting out to 300 yards, what caliber would you recommend?

 

I was thinking about 6.5x47? Whats your thoughts and views fellas?

 

 

 

Steve.

Steve,

Just for 300,6.5 is more than needed,with a recoil penalty (though of course it is very good for quite a bit further!).6br is good:the caliber that dominates shooting for score at 300 in US is the 30BR,that bigger bullet just catches more rings,and picks up extra points.If more shooting is at 100 and 200,the 6ppc won't disappoint.None of these three will be less accurate than the 6.5,perhaps more so,and all are more shootable.

george

[onehole]

I really enjoy shooting the 6br and ideal at 300yds but why would they want to shoot factory ammo?

 

Sevearal years ago and my first 6BRN I picked up a 100 Black Diamond ammo at the dealers just to try and with the bonus of decent brass to reload once fired.This ammo was very expensive but accuracy was just amazing in my old rifle,,,{single shot Unique Alpine} in fact it took a while for me to work up a load that would equal it.I did not buy any more purely on cost but I guess these competitors may not reload or like me were amazed by this stuff straight from the shelf.My best day out at a local 600 yard range and the "Black ammo" I scored a max score in a comp over 30 shots at 300,500 and 600 all V Bulls exept the last shot of 10 at 600!!!

[gbal]

I really enjoy shooting the 6br and ideal at 300yds but why would they want to shoot factory ammo?

Black diamond is very good-don't assume all factory ammo is inferior-this is factory ammo made by Carlsberg...

[gazzar15]

Curious about the price of the ammo .How much is it??

[gbal]

Curious about the price of the ammo .How much is it??

It's made by Norma,from almost unobtainium.

Some info on its performance can be found on 6br site.

[Laurie]

I remember seeing Viking Arms' recommended retail price for Lapua's 105gn Scenar loaded 6BR Norma match ammo many (probably ~10) years ago. I can't remember what it was but definitely on the wrong side of £1 / bang and that at a time when the pound was running a lot higher against the euro than today. (Viking is Lapua's ammunition distributor for the UK, while Hannams is the Lapua / Vihtavuori components and propellants importer / distributor.)

 

ISSF 3-P 300M competition is VERY big in much of Scandinavia and continental Europe. To do well requires a LOT of practice, just like competitive pistol shooting, and match round counts are high too. I'm sure many entrants handload, but I was given to understand many of the top people use factory ammo funding it through sponsorship deals.

 

The other big cost in the discipline is barrel life - with weekly shooting sessions you soon rack up the 2K or so rounds that see a 6BR Norma barrel become uncompetitive. That was one of the main drivers for Lapua's development of its 6.5X47mm - same accuracy levels, only a little more recoil with 108 and 123gn loads, but another 1,000 rounds useful barrel life. So far as I know (which is very little not being into ISSF) Lapua failed in its objective to get a Lapua branded cartridge as king in this high-profile discipline, but as we all know succeeded brilliantly in its being adopted for other types of shooting.

[Gunsgobang88]

Hi,

 

I can't find my Lapua price list at present but in the US a box of 20 6mm BR sells at a discounted price of $46, ouch!

 

Alan

[londonhunter]

Hi,

 

I can't find my Lapua price list at present but in the US a box of 20 6mm BR sells at a discounted price of $46, ouch!

 

Alan

 

 

Laurie

 

Take up in 6.5x47 is low

 

If one goes to any international matches 6mmbr factory ammo is the normal

 

Perhaps the original poster is really interested in 300 m or yards sniping rather than a pure ISSF 300m competition

 

It take a dedicated rifle to do tis discipline and nothing else

 

Accuracy is important however physical fitness is even more of a pre-requisite for tis discipline

 

Especially when it comes to 3 positional shooting

 

Hope tis is helpful

[Laurie]

Hope tis is helpful

 

Yes thank you. It's what I thought - fine cartridge though it is, it didn't knock 6BR off this particular perch.

 

Re the OP's question, I'd have trouble answering that as there are so many questions as you say as to exactly what kind of shooting is involved, its accuracy requirements, shooter's tolerance of recoil, budget, taste in rifles, how important barrel life is, need for magazine feed ..... etc, etc. Ask German Salazar in the US and you'd probably get .30-06 as a reply - not one many would give here, but a great 200/300-yard competition number for many decades with mild 168gn HPBT loads, and still the favourite of some west of the Atlantic.

 

I'll inject one issue I don't think anybody's mentioned and that is factory actions don't always go well with the high-pressure small primer numbers due to primer extrusion and so 6BR and 6.5X47L don't always work out as people hope. (I have an FN Special Police Rifle - Winchester 70 short magnum based action - originally in 308 Win that I had rebarrelled to 6.5X47L. It simply didn't work at anything above starting loads due to primer cratering followed by piercing with an extra 1.0gn powder. Gun Pimp rechambered it to .260 Rem for me and it's brilliant now with that cartridge and no primer problems thanks to the large primer.)

 

There's still a great deal to be said for a good 308 Win for this sort of distance. If lighter recoil and/or less wind drift is wanted 6BR is difficult to beat on these issues, and the smaller 6.5s - X47L, .260 Rem, Hornady Creedmoor are all great performers especially with 120-130gn bullets. If 100% magazine operating reliability without having to buy a fancy action or pay Baldie to get a Remy 700 to feed well is required, I'd go for one of the three 6.5s myself in this situation.

[BR 700]

Curious about the price of the ammo .How much is it??

 

I had to buy 40 rds for a dsc1, 105 lapua, no change out of £90.

 

Still I did get to keep the brass.

[gbal]

Yes thank you. It's what I thought - fine cartridge though it is, it didn't knock 6BR off this particular perch.

 

Re the OP's question, I'd have trouble answering that as there are so many questions as you say as to exactly what kind of shooting is involved, its accuracy requirements, shooter's tolerance of recoil, budget, taste in rifles, how important barrel life is, need for magazine feed ..... etc, etc. Ask German Salazar in the US and you'd probably get .30-06 as a reply - not one many would give here, but a great 200/300-yard competition number for many decades with mild 168gn HPBT loads, and still the favourite of some west of the Atlantic.

 

I'll inject one issue I don't think anybody's mentioned and that is factory actions don't always go well with the high-pressure small primer numbers due to primer extrusion and so 6BR and 6.5X47L don't always work out as people hope. (I have an FN Special Police Rifle - Winchester 70 short magnum based action - originally in 308 Win that I had rebarrelled to 6.5X47L. It simply didn't work at anything above starting loads due to primer cratering followed by piercing with an extra 1.0gn powder. Gun Pimp rechambered it to .260 Rem for me and it's brilliant now with that cartridge and no primer problems thanks to the large primer.)

 

There's still a great deal to be said for a good 308 Win for this sort of distance. If lighter recoil and/or less wind drift is wanted 6BR is difficult to beat on these issues, and the smaller 6.5s - X47L, .260 Rem, Hornady Creedmoor are all great performers especially with 120-130gn bullets. If 100% magazine operating reliability without having to buy a fancy action or pay Baldie to get a Remy 700 to feed well is required, I'd go for one of the three 6.5s myself in this situation.

At one time-recently-UIT/CISM 300 metre specialty rifles were typically 308,and that chambering did fine,as Laurie says.I liked the Steyr Mannlicher CISM,20" barrel,absolute feeding reliability from 10 round mag,out of the box,but there were very fine European rifles virtually never seen over here (or USA) where the discipline isn't shot (much?). But 6br and the fashionable 6.5 trio probably have the dge,being a bit easier to shoot,esp if retrofitted in of the CISM style rifles!(grodas like stocks way before grodas).

george

[Toby]

Lapua Scenar 5,8 gr and 6,8 gr 6mmBR cost Kr 12,37 from the importers over here.

Norma 6,2 gr Jaktmatch Kr 18,45

[gbal]

Lapua Scenar 5,8 gr and 6,8 gr 6mmBR cost Kr 12,37 from the importers over here.

Norma 6,2 gr Jaktmatch Kr 18,45

 

£1 is about 9 Kr.

 

george

[manitou210]

For 300y shooting don,t overlook the fast twist 223 with 80 & 90gr bullets It has consistantly be winning F/TR at 300 and 600m in Canada and has scored many 15 shot 12+ V bulls at 600 and cleaned target all V bulls at 300m.

And the big + over the 6br is you can shoot the F/TR class. The 6br just not enough to be in winners circle in F/O

manitou

[247sniper]

Thanks very much for your help guys. The reason i stated 300 yards is because that is the distance of our new purpose built range is going to be, not long range but its better then our current 50 M one !

 

The rifle hopefully will be used for long range vermin control as well on rabbits, hares, blacked backed gulls, rooks etc.

 

would the 6mm BR still be ideal for this as the ranges could be anything out to between 500-1000+yards! That is why I mentioned the 6.5x47 in the beginning.

 

Whats your thoughts guys.

 

 

Steve.

[247sniper]

Anyone?

[tackb]

I have a friend with a 6br and it's awsome but i wouldn't say its a 1000yd cartridge , it will do it but it would need to be in a specialist rig with a faster twist barrel to shoot heavier bullets ?

 

so you need to ask yourself what is the MAJORITY of your shooting going to be ? and then let us know and i'm sure people will be able to help more then?

 

a larger calibre to shoot at 1000yds consistantly will still group at shorter ranges but will have more recoil etc and probably use your barrel up faster.

 

it's possible to get a calibre/rifle combination that will do it all BUT there will have to be compromise somewhere?

[Canadian F-Class Guy]

I am addicted to the 6BR. I have won many matches with them out to 600M,and have placed handily on 1000yd/900M matches. I use the cartridge as a long range varmint gun (we shoot Columbia ground squirrels {gophers} at extremely long range) and I have a 1-mile range set up betweeen my property and a neighbor's. The 6BR manages a mile just fine as long as you can get it accurately up to about 2900. If I had to choose one cartridge, this would be it no question.