triggersqueezer Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 hi guys,just wondering how many of you can shoot rabbits with a .223 ? leicester police won't allow any centerfire above .17 for rabbits,i sort of understand the thinking behind this but at present i use a .17 hmr for close range and night bunnys and a .223 for fox.most police forces seem to grant .223 for rabbit and vermin.i'm so happy with how my 223 bucks the wind and its accuracy i don't fancy having to buy a .17 centerfire at present for longer range rabbits as i would also have to buy a mule of some sort to help carry them all.. in short if i'm out with he .223 and an opertunity presents itself i don't want to break the law so i just give the rabbit or muntjack a wave and walk on by.thats the outher bit i allready have a .223 and when i asked about using it on deer they said i would need to get written permision from the land owners etc.the muntjack are on a friends shoot and the farmer wants them in my fridge.i could understand them asking for that if i was asking for a larger calibre but for a rifle i allready have on open ticket it seems a bit obstructive.i also have my dsc 1 . i have e mailed basc this evening but would like your thoughts on this please. cheers mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 my 5mm amd my 22/250 are both cleared for rabbits and I use them both on occasion. In N Yorks. my 22/250 is also cleared for munties etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsteve Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Have rabbits on my ticket for 223 in Sussex Good Luck Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hancock Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Trig my .223 ticket originally issued by London Met states "shall be used for shooting vermin, ground game, and all other lawful quarry" I am also covered for Chinese Water Deer and Muntjac, subject to muzzle energy of not less than 1,356 joules / using a soft nosed or hollow nosed bullet weighing not less than 50grains. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 thanks guys,the more the merrier.i don't want to rock the bout with my firearms officer but i wager 20 miles down the road they are ok so its a bit double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hancock Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 PS - and fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit fingers Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'm in Dyfed powys police area and have vermin on 223 and 6.5x47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay222 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I've got fox and vermin on .223 in north Wales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughes.s Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Mike pm me a phone number, I"ll explain what I did Hughes I"am in Leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maespant Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 6mmBR Fox & Vermin Dyfed Powys Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 ask your mate if his farmer will give you a permission letter to shoot the munty, then send letter in and get munty on your ticket. its crap they wont give you vermin on anything bigger then 17 rem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247sniper Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Any lawful quarry here on the IOM and all we have is rabbits and hares. .223 and .204 passed over here. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 i have best part of 2000 acres and john toon is my fao,the land is mixed but 50% is quite flat.aly lawfull quarry seems a bit vague from a police department that states you can't use a 223 for rabbits.hopefully i'll here what basc has to say about it soon. thanks for the replys guys it gives me a bit of ammo to use if there obstructive. mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeld Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Northumberland, .22-250, .243, .270 all cleared for vermin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Down here in Cornwall I have all my cals on for vermin,ground game,fox and deer,,,thats 223,6mmbr,6mmBRNorma and 308!!!This is on an open ticket and a lot of my permissions are on open moorland farms admittedly.110 vmax in the 308 is fun!! I think you should be asking for 223 to shoot vermin, ground game and fox and cant see why they should throw that out,,,also point out that some rabbits are in areas difficult to reach with a 17hmr and that longer range control is sometimes necessary?,,,,best of luck anyway,,,Onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247sniper Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Why wont they allow it, what is there reason? Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgobang88 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hi, At present Surrey Police condition small bore centrefires for fox and zeroing on ranges and land where the certificate has lawful authority to shoot. If the certificate holder has access to muntjac and /or cwd then this will be added. However, Surrey Police are ACTIVELY looking at the 'any lawful quarry' issue. This means that if you have the appropriate permissions and you are carrying the correct calibre then you can use it. The onus would be on the shooter if challenged to demonstrate lawful authority (permission and appropriate calibre). Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 i was told when i got the 204 before the 223 that there to much for rabbit control. i have held fac for 8 years,years ago i had a .17 fireball for rabbits and was told by a woman in the department that centerfire were not used for rabbits and john toon stepped in and said .17 was ok. i have no interest in upseting anyone but the more info i have the better debate i can have if needed. thanks again for the replys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I use a .308 on rabbits legally. Ok, there ain't much left, but it's on 'aolq' so all good as said above, 110gr vmax are great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Another one with 308 and the odd rabbit makes a good legal for me, zero check A friend 3 miles down the road and comes under North Yorkshire told his FEO about this "exactly including naming me which I wasn't too happy about" and his FEO said no chance to his 308 for this. This appears to be another case of APCO guidelines being followed where they suit rather in their entirety. Check the internet especially the GMP website and find the ACPO guidelines, print them off and discuss nicely with your FEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 reply from basc is.... Dear Mr Marsh, Typically no police force allow centre fires for primary use on rabbits as they think it’s unnecessary. That said if the wording on your certificate says “vermin” then this would include rabbits, the trouble is once they now you want to shoot rabbits they will usually refuse to amend conditions. If you have a .223 for foxes then they should be able to grant vermin as a secondary condition e.g. for crows and other corvids which are naturally wary birds that you can’t get close to with a rimfire. Sadly there are no condition appeals procedures so if they refuse there is nothing that can be done. Best wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Yes that is how I understand it, Primary use would be a no no. As a secondary condition though it is quite acceptable so as to avoid leaving your stalking rifle unattended in the car whilst you go lamping with your allowed caliber....... at least thats what I think most people say to get this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 When I applied for .223 I requested it for Fox, Muntjack, CWD, pests and vermin. What I got was Fox and all other lawful quarry. Happy days. Might be worth using a similar approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Have rabbits on my ticket for 223 in Sussex Good Luck Steve Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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