ejg223 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Received this picture from a customer in Mallorca today. It didn't need any text. Jaime, had a conventional composite stock on his RH40 which just proved too heavy in the hills when after goats. We converted an ultra light carbon E-Tac to take the 308 LW Polygon barrelled Howa and fitted a mag system. First blood on the RH40/E-Tac went to a 625m goat. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Cracking pic I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted July 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 another two pictures. Looks like fun. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyr Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 another two pictures. Looks like fun. edi Yes it was fun¡¡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes it was fun¡¡ Welcome on UKV. great to have you here. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 What does the e-tac cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yes it was fun¡¡ Technical Note:rifles don't ''shoot high'' downhill,when its vertically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 What does the e-tac cost Base price for Rem 700 SA BDL inlet Carbon Ultra Light E-Tac with adjustable cheek, recoil pad fitted, swivel studs fitted and single colour Duracoat. = 765,- Euro Flush cups, long action inlet or mag system fitting available. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 You mean you don't have to allow for elevation correction if you're shooting downhill, but you do if shooting uphill? Chris-NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Technical Note:rifles don't ''shoot high'' downhill,when its vertically Practical note; Yes they do!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I couldn't be sure what he meant was what I thought it was. Clearly you took it to be the same GN Chris-NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Not unless he's using the old "bore sighting" method of aiming Chris! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Practical note; Yes they do!!! ''Vertically'?-I don't think so-no horizontal distance travelled-it was meant as a joke about the extreme angle in the photo,tough enough without having to read your data cards too. Strictly speaking,rifles do not shoot high,what happens is the shooter adjusts ,compared to his zero, for what he thinks the range is,'as the rabbit runs from shooting position to target'-'as the crow flies',might be closer to what we actually need,but we can't measure that. But the actual drop,and thus proper correction,is the horizontal distance,as in the the triangle pictures,which is always less,much less as the angle gets more acute,and at vertical,its zero.(It's actually the same as overestmating range on the flat,and clicking up too much,to compensate ie over compensate).You could of course,at this point(vertical) just drop the rifle if you lack conviction about the physics,and it will hit the target,unless the wind moves it on the way down(rifle or target!).Let's not consider which bayonet is best for goats,but it should be fixed to the heavy end of the rifle,and pointing down. Simples! george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Its the same uphill of downhill, its all to do with the effect of gravity over the horizontal distance the bullet travels. The distance the bullet travels is not important, the important figure is the "HORIZONTAL" distance the bullet travels because its over this distance that gravity effects the bullets trajectory. EG. You could be shooting from a building 1000m high but if the target is directly below you there is no need to allow for bullet drop because gravity wouldn't have any effect on the bullets trajectory. Obviously windage is a different issue and is based on the total distance the bullet travels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 EG. You could be shooting from a building 1000m high but if the target is directly below you there is no need to allow for bullet drop because gravity wouldn't have any effect on the bullets trajectory. This would be true only for the fact that you are looking through a scope which is 2" above your bore line. If you aimed at a spot 1000m vertically below you your SIGHT LINE IS VERTICAL, NOT THE PATH OF THE BULLET. If your rifle were zero'd at 100m the bullet would cross the sight line there or there abouts but it would keep on "climbing" above the sight line as gravity is no longer pulling it back to cross the sight line as it would if it were fired at a shallower angle. If the bullet makes up the 2" gap between muzzle and sight line in 100m it would strike very roughly 18" above the reticle centre on the 12o'clock stadia at 1000m. If it were zeroed for 1000m horizontally its about 14" high at 100m and 140" "high" at the bottom of your building. Or put another way if you took your 100m zero and dialled in to be just about 2moa low your bore line and sight line are roughly parallel and you'll hit 2" from your aiming point. At 1000m I'd take that any day! But as George said, why waste ammo, just drop something heavy!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Its the same uphill of downhill, its all to do with the effect of gravity over the horizontal distance the bullet travels. The distance the bullet travels is not important, the important figure is the "HORIZONTAL" distance the bullet travels because its over this distance that gravity effects the bullets trajectory. EG. You could be shooting from a building 1000m high but if the target is directly below you there is no need to allow for bullet drop because gravity wouldn't have any effect on the bullets trajectory. Obviously windage is a different issue and is based on the total distance the bullet travels. Absolutely,and 'vertically' includes directly above(up) or directly below(down). george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 i understood that it was a joke referencing the acute downhill shot that was being taken didn't everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Base price for Rem 700 SA BDL inlet Carbon Ultra Light E-Tac with adjustable cheek, recoil pad fitted, swivel studs fitted and single colour Duracoat. = 765,- Euro Flush cups, long action inlet or mag system fitting available. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 That's the problem with texts and posts, the written word tends to be taken literally and sometimes something written in jest is taken entirely the wrong way. At best it sparks a debate that wasn't warranted at worst people can be offended when none was intended! Mike PS We have some cliffs on our deer permission, and whilst you can't get 1000m vertical you can get about 150m, and trust me, when you're hanging over the edge like the guy in the photo it brings a whole different buzz to the shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 That's the problem with texts and posts, the written word tends to be taken literally and sometimes something written in jest is taken entirely the wrong way. At best it sparks a debate that wasn't warranted at worst people can be offended when none was intended! Mike PS We have some cliffs on our deer permission, and whilst you can't get 1000m vertical you can get about 150m, and trust me, when you're hanging over the edge like the guy in the photo it brings a whole different buzz to the shot! Thanks Mike,absolutely no offence taken. I was assuming a normal zero at 100 metres ,but I actually know that cliff in Mallorca very well indeed,and it is exactly 100 metres high.I can well imagine the 'buzz'' you mention,and on a good day I'd suggest it's the 'cranial coreolis' acceleration effect,but I think I'll just go down to the local and get Brahms and Litz-ed instead. george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Hi George, don' think it's the 'cranial coreolis' acceleration effect, think it's the ' F*ck me that's high, hope i don't slip ' effect myself. Whatever it is my arz is going like a rabbits nose when I'm doing it! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyr Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Hi George, don' think it's the 'cranial coreolis' acceleration effect, think it's the ' F*ck me that's high, hope i don't slip ' effect myself. Whatever it is my arz is going like a rabbits nose when I'm doing it! Mike Ok guys, target was small, at 280 metres. I had lost my ACI the week before in the mountains ( found it later) ; dope said 15 1/10 mils for that distance (178amax) , and considering- as someone has pointed out- that I was not too comfortable, made a "mental guess" adjustment and used 5 1/10 mils elevation, and the shot was dead on. As for the Etac.. I can only praise that stock. I have extensively used an A3 and an MCST.. the Etac is in a different league. BTW , new to this nice forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Welcome Gyr. You live in a beautifull part of the World. If you gets away from where the Drunken British go Mallorca is fantastic. The drive down the Ma-10 from Pollenca to Andratx is stunning. Also the drive to the Lighthouse at Cap Fermentor tests your nerve . We stay in a place called Betlam. I take my hat off to you Hunting that Terrain in that Heat. I am not nearly fit enough. Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyr Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Thanks Nick. Yes it is nice.... but I dont recall being anywhere while in holidays that wasnt nice¡¡ It kind of gives you a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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