6.5shooter Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Hi folks, I am going to apply for a 17 fireball for shooting crows etc when im in the fields in the tractor doing crop work etc ( might not get much work done) well, its going to be a light weight pea shooter that I can just pop in and out of the tractor and jeep with so it will be a compact rifle. Im just wondering about this mag feeding issue that this round has as its quite small. What would be the best donor rifle to base this barrel job on in regards to the magazine feeding? It must be mag fed as I cant be carrying rounds in my pockets and fiddling with them and clinking them into the action as my crows will have flew off. Just want to knock the safety off and watch those feathers go poof! Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 As Feargal about the 17 bas tard....sorry furball.... Both of us tried every permutation possible to make a defiance action feed the bloody things. Every magwell, ever mag, you name it, i tried it...it just would not work, the round is too short. The only action it will feed in is a cz 527, ie a controlled feed mauser action, and it must be a small action like the 527. I believe remington chamber a 700 in it, but i,ve yet to see one, or its internal mag system. Its the only mag system that has ever beaten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Dam it Dave, thats not what I wanted to hear How about the new 223 AICS mags? Suppose you tried them? I have a single shot savage I could use cus I think the bolt face can be changed? Am I right? Might be a last resort.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 They wont feed from any AICS mag, 223, or converted .308. I tried absolutely everything. Why Remington have dropped the .17 Rem in favour of the poxy thing is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Maybe I will change my application to firearms dept to a 17 rem. Might be the simplest without any hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyH Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 They wont feed from any AICS mag, 223, or converted .308. I tried absolutely everything. Why Remington have dropped the .17 Rem in favour of the poxy thing is beyond me. Beautiful little cartridge! I'd have a Fireball any day, never fancied the bigger/older .17 Rem though. Remington offer, or offered, the Model Seven in Fireball, very nice combo; but otherwise I'd use this round in a single shot rifle, TC Contender Carbine maybe. I only feed single rounds for varminting anyway - off a Score-High follower inserted in the mag - not interested in rapid fire. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22-250jock Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 i,m with tonyh, shoot my mates 17 f/b and its a cracking little round, no recoil so you can see the full impact of those tiny little pills, almost as flat as my 22-250. its a rem sps and if memory serves correct there is a ramp forward of the mag well that helps feed the round into the chamber, seemed to work fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I have a 17 rem fireball its a factory remmy SPS. Feeds flawless,from 5 rnd internal box mag,there are 2 radius feed ramps in the action itself. The rifle is in the standard sps stock ,but i have it with devcon it shoots 1/2" @ 100. superb crow round and 25g vmax @ 3500fps make a good foxing round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Any chance of a picture of the feed ramps fella,s ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22-250jock Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 baldie, have a photo of ramps in chamber but dont know how to post them. doh!! any clues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Send me them to my e mail buddy, and i,ll host them. dave@valkyrierifles.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22-250jock Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 On its way (hopefully) cheers jock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Would be intersting to see pics of it and see it working. Id still like to stick with the fireball round if poss, it would do my job down to a T. Hopefully my firearms liscencing will pass it for me as I have good reasoning. Cant wait to get one if they do, it will prob be used twice as much as all my other rifles. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Very interesting. Pretty simple to make feed from an internal box mag, as this pic shows. It has right/left feed much the same as an AW. It would not work with a box mag, unless designed from the ground up as a dedicated furball mag/action. The reason we could not make the defiance action work, is that it had no internal rails to hold down an internal mag follower...it was designed to run AW mags. The cz works, but it does because its controlled feed. Garry, a customer of mine has been in today, that has a custom furball for sale. Its built on a cz 527 action, and has a spare custom .223 barrel too. It feeds, and is a very accurate rifle, it was built by Richard Pope, if its of any interest, give me a bell, and i,ll give you his number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Can you pm me youre number Dave please. Was checking youre website but cant find youre number. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Oh man, this scenario again. Never want to see one these C**ts ever again. Just use a floor plate job and save the rest of the world the headache. PITA, I think I still owe Baldie a mega holiday away from the rest of the world because of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Hi dave here are some pics of the SPS,the internal box is also smaller than the .223 one on my pss remmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 do what i did-get a cooper from brian fox well worth the 8 month wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Baldie, i have just bought a cz 527 in 22 hornet, and was wondering if in the future would it be possible to rebarrel it to either the 17 fireball or its parent case the 221 fireball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Not easily. The two calibres have a larger case head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Not easily. The two calibres have a larger case head. Ok mate i may just ackleyise it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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