Thanks for all the input guys, plenty of looking and reading up to do for sure. I will go down the hands on what feels good route before I part with any coin. I was in mcleods in Tain a few months back and they had a good selection of S&B to look st so may head back when time is right. My experience with S&B was limited to a play with an L96 equipped with a 6x42 when they first appeared and the 10x42 on my armalon remy, both tidy scopes but light years from what's about now. To tell the truth most of what's out there is probably capable of performing at a level way above what I can, all the same hopefully the end choice will be the right one.