Roy W

17 minutes ago, phaedra1106uk said:

My point is that the NRA have added an addional cost by requiring a qualified RCO to also have the RSO qualification, there's no need for it as it adds nothing to the RCO qualification.

 

 

Have you asked them why? There might be an explanation other than being a 'money grabbing exercise' as you claim.

If they are 'Grabbing your Money' then they aren't very good at it, for only a tenner a year!

It says online that it is valid for 6years?

If that is the case, then anyone who thinks that approx £10 a year is too much is probably in the wrong Hobby. 

There are far too many shooters continually bashing the NRA instead of recognising that they facilitate the use of MOD ranges around the country, whilst having to pay staff costs, employment costs and all the other costs yet still manageto keep the charges down to such low levels.

A simple First Aid certificate will cost more and only last for 3 years.

It's all about perspectives

Minimum barrel length is 12 inches and minimum overall length is 24inches, or 300mm/600mm

If you are booking for one person, then Electronics for a whole morning is expensive. You'll also get through a shed load of ammo in a morning. If you are sharing the lane, then it's really good value and everyone gets loads of shooting done, if they want to.

Three or four of us regularly book electronics for a morning to do CSR practices. We each get through 200+ rounds and still have plenty of time chatting.

Then it costs us £20-£25 each. Which, quite frankly, is a bargain.

Bisley has expenses and, in the current cost of living situation, the running costs must have hiked considerably.

Add to this that, on many days, the ranges are all but deserted, they have to make the money somehow. Are you booked between now and March, or is that you first visit of 2023? If more people used it more often they may be able to keep prices level, but there are many who use it infrequently and want it cheap. Can't have both. (Not saying that's you)

17 minutes ago, Mattnall said:

Interesting. What did this cost for the day?

 

I asked the same question as I was interested. 

The training was £100, but you also have to join the C2 Precision club, which is £50. This then allows you to register for the Feb comp, which is going to be around £110.

So to shoot in Feb, it needs £260 plus ammo, travel etc

Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to try it, I am not sure I can justify the cost.

I'll take the Butler Creeks please

Surely 1.6Mils is

16cm - 100

32cm - 200

48cm - 300

64cm - 400

80cm- 500

96cm - 600

112cm - 700

128cm - 800

144cm - 900

160cm - 1000

It must be pretty windy where you are?

Reduced to £1950.00 + postage

1.6 Mils? Are you sure?

I have a PM2 3-12x50 in front of me now and I have 6.5 Mils each way on windage.

500 69gr SMKs , £175 + postage at cost, or collection from Bisley

I'll take that please.

PH Bipods

Yep, it's destroying the fluidity of gun sales

Not sure about other forces, but here is Hampshire it is taking 6mths+ for a simple variation. I don't think people have the slots to buy what they want. It must be killing the gun trade

Boxed, unused Vortex Razor GenII 4.5-27x56 MRAD EBR-7C Reticle. This is built like a tank. Locking turrets, first focal plane, complete with all tools and accessories as new. Never been in rings or on a rifle. Lifetime Vortex warranty and all manuals.

FOR SALE - £2150 including Special Delivery Insured Postage.   NOW £1950 + postage or collect from Hampshire/Bisley

Ideal long range/PRS scope. The glass is superb and reviews are available online.

Currently available at Optics Warehouse for £2699.00    Details Here:

Can email more photographs.

14 hours ago, Tikktac said:

Is the mount still for sale?

It says SOLD in the top post

Credit where it is due. Jack at JR Firearms has recently completed some CNC machining for me.

Not only did he complete the work super fast, he actually did what he said he would do. 

The workmanship is superb, communications were excellent and his pricing was extremely reasonable.

Highly recommended If you need some work doing.

You might want to put your address details in a PM, rather than open forum.

For security etc etc

The OP has also asked on Fullbore UK and received lots of opinions. He posted photos on there plus more info , factory ammo, Mod he has had for 5 years and possibly 1 year old when he got it. 

I doubt he'll be back, might be worth waiting for him to post more before trying to fathom it out.

HERE:

46 minutes ago, John MH said:

Heard last weekend that RUAG Ammotec had been bought by Beretta so that will slow things down even further, would expect the Liskeard site to close as everything moves to GMK's Fareham site.

https://www.ruag.com/en/news/sale-ruag-ammotec-completed 

Knowing the Fareham site well, I wouldn't think there is the space

7 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

Well said.  

As regards clubs promoting shooting, we have a steady stream of applicants from our website,  our limiting factor is sufficient training mentors to process them through probation.  The biggest problem facing target shooting I believe is age demographics,  the five clubs I've been active in all have a mean age of > 55,  we get youngsters coming with parents/grandparents but they don't stay as teenagers.  The large majority of my applicants are of the older generations, it's rare to get a 30ish person applying.  One success we can claim is recruiting more women, we've had an encouraging increase all be it from a very low base.

Yep, age is a factor, mainly due to the cost of shooting. I gave up for 20 years due to not being able to afford it, having a young family on a single income. 

That's why the Young Shooters Association and the financial support given by the NRA is a good thing.

Well done on getting females involved, another step towards removing the 'Gentleman's Club' image.

I can't see a solution to the cost issue, other than sticking to small bore.

I often have the same discussion with a shooting friend about the value of our classic rifles and whether there will still be a market in 20-30years time, when nobody under 80 remembers WW2 and the constant presence of war films and cowboy films on the TV, playing 'War' in school playgrounds and being allowed to run round the streets with toy guns, without the fear of an ARV attending!

Shooting definitely has to diversify and factions need to recognise other disciplines and openly support them, even if they don't want to shoot them.

The death of shooting won't be due to the Police, or the Govt. If you seriously think that either could coordinate a sustained campaign to bring about that result, then you clearly have never worked for the Police or Civil Service!

The death of shooting will be caused by shooters themselves. Gun Clubs and the NRA were, for decades, old boys clubs run for the members and without any desire to grow or promote shooting.

Look at the outrage when the NRA dared to charge people commercial rent rates on caravan plots, accommodation and club houses. You'd have thought the world was ending. The highest profile club house was running on a rent of £11k per annum, in Surrey! You couldn't rent a 10' x 10' office in Surrey for that much. Then there was the fact it was a privately owned members club running as a commercial enterprise, not the historic home of SAS shooting as claimed. 

People slag Andrew Mercer off for what he is doing with the NRA, making out he is some sort of nasty commercial animal. He is actually making the NRA and Bisley a much better place. If you haven't noticed the improvements, then you probably haven't been there lately. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Shooters need to open their eyes, start selling shooting as a desirable sport, support the National Organisations (lots of those slagging the NRA off are neither members, nor use their facilities) , get clubs to actively hold all the guest days they are entitled to have and publicise them in local press. (I wonder how many clubs in the UK use their available guest days each year?)

Take shooting out of the closet, make it socially acceptable and stop bitching about other disciplines. 

The establishment doesn't need to divide and conquer the shooting fraternity, they are doing it themselves..............

Out of interest, when was the last time a shooting with an illegally held firearm used as a reason to tighten Firearms laws?

I can't think of one

2 hours ago, Richiew said:

I’m in the same quandary. Narrowing down to Arktis SAS waterproof smock . If anyone uses one of these your opinion would be appreciated. Mainly wanting a jacket with lots of big pockets all on the outside so not taking up room within the shell . Think these are possibly the same people as fortis???. Already have a Nomad all round jacket that’s very good and a paramo one but this is a bit scrunchy material. 
cheers

I have several Arktis jackets. They are good. They will keep you dry, but breathable is subjective. They will make you sweat in the warmer weather.

Once the outside is wet, it stays wet for ages, the liner is the waterproof part.

They are worth the money. I use one as my range jacket all year round.

single half day cost