Shooting Holiday Abroad

[mildot]

Right, ive decided im going abroad next year for a nice shooting hol. However im not sure where and def dont know who with...

 

what, where, who, how? have you gone with or reccomend?

[PeteL]

Hi Mildot,

AFRICA!!!!!?.

Talk to this fella: http://www.kuduland.com/

And have a look at his other Website: http://www.shakariconnection.com/

You don't have to go shooting Ele, Lion and Cape Buffalo, there are plenty of opportunities for reasonably priced plainsgame hunts in very nice countryside. Take the wife/girlfriend/ etc, accomodation is to a very good standard with fantastic views.

I can personally vouch for him and his organisation, having been on 3 Safaris with him.

PM or Skype me, if you have any questions.

Go on, you know you want to!!.

Peter

[Millwall Paul]

Hi Mildot,

Definately like Pete says, AFRICA, not as expensive as you might first think, there are loads of great outfitters out there to go with, if you go round the eastern cape area there's also loads for the wife / kids to do also. I can heartilly recommend www.Umlilosafaris.co.za have been there twice the owners are a fantastic bunch the PH's are brilliant and a great laugh round the bar. Game is abundant and they will work their nuts off trying to get you what you want. Another one to look at is www.Huntershillsafaris.co.za. They have fantastic accomodation and also have wild white lion on their concession as well as rino and I believe cheatah as well. (All for viewing not shooting) If you want to know anything about Umlilo feel free to pm me, or if you're going to the CLA have a look at the outfitters while you're there. You should be able to pick up some fantastic deals with the current climate. One tip though, if you do go to Africa remember to use tick repellant, tick bite fever is not nice, I spent a week in hospital with it after my last trip.

[Berger]

Right, ive decided im going abroad next year for a nice shooting hol. However im not sure where and def dont know who with...

 

what, where, who, how? have you gone with or reccomend?

 

I regulary hunt abroad Africa,Germany,Turkey,Italy Iam looking at Canada next for bear,anyway Namiba is your best opition,fire me over a PM as I can set you up with the cheapest deal you will ever find.

[mildot]

Cheers for the info so far guys. i will look through those sites mentioned.

 

Berger you have PM

[Orka Akinse]

I would strongly recommend you don't use a guy called Peter Carr he has a bad name all over.

[ejg223]

The fellas around here have hunted with this crowd several times.

Very good reports.

Myogi

edi

[mildot]

I would strongly recommend you don't use a guy called Peter Carr he has a bad name all over.

 

;o) ive heard horror stories about him! from numerous sources!

[Millwall Paul]

Apparently Mr Carr is no longer doing the Safaris, but I think he may still use Cairminnows in Scotland, great for shooting the rarer species, if you like the 'zoo' environment for your stalking that is. Have heard several horrer stories.

[Berger]

Apparently Mr Carr is no longer doing the Safaris, but I think he may still use Cairminnows in Scotland, great for shooting the rarer species, if you like the 'zoo' environment for your stalking that is. Have heard several horrer stories.

 

Mr Carr has now moved on he has passed his African safaris on to a very nice chap call Steve Sweeting Mr Carr has his faults but no one could fault or beat his African deals,the new chap is an experienced agent and will make job a lot better,

I will be taking over Mr Carrs UK contacts so again things will be better

as to Cairminnows yes there is a lot of "stories" flying around namley ALL 3rd and 4th hand,this place is a "deer park" just like Woban Abbey and lots of other palces that sell shooting of hugh trophy animals again namley to fat yanks,I have shot at both places,at the end of the day its a business,the cull beasts need to be shot so why not sell them on,theres pleanty of people who are quite happy to shoot in a park

at the end of the day these parks animals have to be managed "who going to do it" ??? people are quick to call in "caged hunting" in a way it is but the same as any fenced area.

now if this hunting was free I wonder how many of these people who are a little too quick to shout about it would actually turn it down

[mildot]

Mr Carr has now moved on he has passed his African safaris on to a very nice chap call Steve Sweeting Mr Carr has his faults but no one could fault or beat his African deals,the new chap is an experienced agent and will make job a lot better,

I will be taking over Mr Carrs UK contacts so again things will be better

as to Cairminnows yes there is a lot of "stories" flying around namley ALL 3rd and 4th hand,this place is a "deer park" just like Woban Abbey and lots of other palces that sell shooting of hugh trophy animals again namley to fat yanks,I have shot at both places,at the end of the day its a business,the cull beasts need to be shot so why not sell them on,theres pleanty of people who are quite happy to shoot in a park

at the end of the day these parks animals have to be managed "who going to do it" ??? people are quick to call in "caged hunting" in a way it is but the same as any fenced area.

now if this hunting was free I wonder how many of these people who are a little too quick to shout about it would actually turn it down

 

 

I had also heard that Mr C had moved on and Berger has conformed it.

 

Sounds though that the business will hopefully flourish now!

 

As to "caged shooting" i agree with Berger. However it may not be my cuppa tea, but i may have a go in the future! and if i was offered it i certainly wouldnt say no!

[JC275]

Speaking as a full time park deer manager, I can assure you all that there is a great deal of difference between a park cull and a 'canned hunt'. (There is also alot of difference betwen park culling and stalking but thats another subject) Yes, a lot of parks will sell the occaisional trophy animal when its time has come but these tend to go to specialist hunters who pay alot of money and know exactly what they are doing. The idea of people paying money to 'help with the cull' is not something that most deer park managers or owners would ever consider. If I require help on a specific cull or contract I have no hesitation in paying other proffessionals to come in and assist me, that way I know that I am getting the best. I have only heard of one instance in this country of Boar being shot for 'sport' in an enclosure ('Park'?) and that has already been mentioned. The phrase that comes to mind is: 'it takes many years to build a good reputation and not very long at all to destroy it', I wonder if the Estate in question are happy with their reputation? JC

[Berger]

Speaking as a full time park deer manager, I can assure you all that there is a great deal of difference between a park cull and a 'canned hunt'. (There is also alot of difference betwen park culling and stalking but thats another subject) Yes, a lot of parks will sell the occaisional trophy animal when its time has come but these tend to go to specialist hunters who pay alot of money and know exactly what they are doing. The idea of people paying money to 'help with the cull' is not something that most deer park managers or owners would ever consider. If I require help on a specific cull or contract I have no hesitation in paying other proffessionals to come in and assist me, that way I know that I am getting the best. I have only heard of one instance in this country of Boar being shot for 'sport' in an enclosure ('Park'?) and that has already been mentioned. The phrase that comes to mind is: 'it takes many years to build a good reputation and not very long at all to destroy it', I wonder if the Estate in question are happy with their reputation? JC

 

sorry I disagree,the big tophy animals sold in deer parks are shot by rich knob head foreigners,who have no idea,thay are there just becuase they can afford it,I have heard horror stories form park managers who have taken out these big shot trophy hunters only to have them shoot the beast up the ass and actually run after the beast ,Iam not going to get into an argument but thats how it is,and self respecting british hunter wouldnt pay the hugh sum to shoot a park tophy animals when its just stood there looking at you when you put your rifle accross the bonnet of the pick up truck.

again park manages sell the cull animals to create revenue for the estate again a known fact,

as you know a certain number has to be culled,by charging a set fee to harvest these beast is good business.

why pay so call proffesionals when you can get someone to pay you,at the end of the day there accomanied and told what to shoot.

[JC275]

Sorry Berger, my mistake, i've only been doing this twenty years so maybe i've got it all wrong! I do enjoy hearing people talk about park culling, its one of the best topics going for reading between the lines and spotting the people that actually know what they are talking about and those that don't. As far as bad shots from 'rich knob head foreigners' go, I can assure that i've seen lots of people make bad shots, myself included many times. Getting the client or guest into a suitable position (which will vary with every situation, as will the range) and ensuring that the whole situation remains calm and friendly is the best way possible to ensure a good result. This is a real skill and something that can only come with experience. EndEx. JC

[Berger]

Sorry Berger, my mistake, i've only been doing this twenty years so maybe i've got it all wrong! I do enjoy hearing people talk about park culling, its one of the best topics going for reading between the lines and spotting the people that actually know what they are talking about and those that don't. As far as bad shots from 'rich knob head foreigners' go, I can assure that i've seen lots of people make bad shots, myself included many times. Getting the client or guest into a suitable position (which will vary with every situation, as will the range) and ensuring that the whole situation remains calm and friendly is the best way possible to ensure a good result. This is a real skill and something that can only come with experience. EndEx. JC

I didn't say you were mistaken,I think you are trying to paint a different picture,I know for a fact what happens in deer parks,Ive shot in some of the largest

we have all made bad shots mate anyone who hasnt is lieing,but what iam saying is the big trophy beast are sold to the man with the biggest wallet,but Iam sure your going to tell me know Iam wrong and you pay proffesionals to shoot a 20 point stag which needs to be culled for free.

Iam sure you always put your clinets in the correct posistion to shoot a beast,isnt that what we all try to do ?? park or no park

but if that beasts moves in a park you just drive around u till its setlles again,unlkie the hills of Scotland its usually in the next glen

buy hey I dont know what Iam talking about,enjot your park my frined and the big fat rich foriegners who you take out

just out of interest what deer park do you manage

[JC275]

I don't like to shoot too many 20 point stags, I prefer to let them grow up a bit and get to be big deer! looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. Best wishes, JC

[Berger]

I don't like to shoot too many 20 point stags, I prefer to let them grow up a bit and get to be big deer! looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. Best wishes, JC

LOL,do let them grow bigger to get a better price from the fat yanks

again what park are you the manage of ???

[JC275]

LOL,do let them grow bigger to get a better price from the fat yanks

again what park are you the manage of ???

 

I think i'll keep that confidential as I don't want to be pestered by ex sporting agents and jounolists from the shooting tabloids plus I think that we've hijacked this thread enough with talking shop. Again, EndEx. JC

[Berger]

I think i'll keep that confidential as I don't want to be pestered by ex sporting agents and jounolists from the shooting tabloids plus I think that we've hijacked this thread enough with talking shop. Again, EndEx. JC

obviously not proud of what you do and where you work,shame really as I think deer parks are great looking after out breeds of deer and keeping them going allowing correct breeding the re generation.theres many thst dont know what deer parks actually do

anyway best of luck

[JC275]

Whatever!!

[Berger]

Whatever!!

 

very proffesional

[shootingbags]

Pete,

 

Just because JC doesn't want to post where he manages, this does not mean that he isn't proud of what he does or where he does it.

JC states that he has done his job for 20 years and you have to respect that. Likewise we all know that you have done your fair share of various hunts - canned or otherwise and, I believe, also now have a vested interest in paid hunting.

 

I presume you don't know him and likewise I presume he doesn't know you so please let's keep this thread civil .

[Berger]

Pete,

 

Just because JC doesn't want to post where he manages, this does not mean that he isn't proud of what he does or where he does it.

JC states that he has done his job for 20 years and you have to respect that. Likewise we all know that you have done your fair share of various hunts - canned or otherwise and, I believe, also now have a vested interest in paid hunting.

 

I presume you don't know him and likewise I presume he doesn't know you so please let's keep this thread civil .

I was trying to commend him on the work deer park managers do,obviously he didnt see this

[shootingbags]

I was trying to commend him on the work deer park managers do,obviously he didnt see this

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. The 'obviously not proud of what you do and where you work...' didn't look much like a commendation though.