Guest luckyjohn99 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 i have a 223 and have just got some land passed for it..My shooting buddy has a 1.7 centerfire ansd says i should get rid of my 223 and get a 1.7 centerfire and advise plz...shooting foxes and rabbits...TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest luckyjohn99 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 have a 223 and have just got some land passed for it..My shooting buddy has a 1.7 centerfire ansd says i should get rid of my 223 and get a 1.7 centerfire and advise plz...shooting foxes and rabbits...TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager SA Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Stick with the .223, the 17 Rem is a great calibre but it has shortfalls against the .223. 25g bullets for the 17Rem being driven fast is still no match for the 223 with the same barrel twist, ie 1-9. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbear Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I'm with Kal, stick with the .223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 If you are happy with the .223 stay with it. Shooters are always ready to talk someone else into their "caliber club" but sometimes you learn more from shooting partners having diverse tastes. Just my tuppence worth....~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlestead Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 .223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 go out with your mate, set up on a nice bit of ground where you can shoot out to 500 maybe more, take plenty of ammo and some ballistics charts for you 223 and start zappin way out there now promt your friend to swallow his pride and try what you just did and then you'll see how he fairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red mist Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Stick with the .223, the 17 Rem is a great calibre but it has shortfalls against the .223. 25g bullets for the 17Rem being driven fast is still no match for the 223 with the same barrel twist, ie 1-9. JMO i will put my custom 17rem with 25gr vmax driven @4150fps against a .223 with with 9 twist and 52grain a-max@3200fps just pump my 17 figures into any ballisatics calculator my 17 is still supersonic @850yrds drops 100" less and drifts 17" less but the .223 has 50ftlb more energy before the anti 17 brigade starts i shot a.223 for a few years if you said 22/250 well thats a diffrent story atvb wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 i think its best to stick to your own rifle and just get to no how it shoots and the differnt drops and differnt ranges. a lad i go shooting with has 223 and he is a super shot with it. foxes out to 340 yards ive seen him take. he has the swarovski scope with tds rectical and a just go on to there website punch in bullet you use and it will tell you what the differnt drops on differnt mags and what line to use on the crosshair. super stuff wish i could aford one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Redmist, Your argumant falls as soon as you up the bullet weight with the 223, a 75 grn A-max @3000fps destroys your 25grn load at 4150. You need to step up to a heavier bullet to beat that but apart from the 30grn berger there arent any!! Its a simple case of bullet choice, not many for the .17", plenty for the .223" You can make most ballistics data run in your favour by picking the best load for your chosen cartridge and a not such a good one for another. Pick the best for .17" and the best for .223" and its a no contest mate. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager SA Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Redmist,Your argumant falls as soon as you up the bullet weight with the 223, a 75 grn A-max @3000fps destroys your 25grn load at 4150. You need to step up to a heavier bullet to beat that but apart from the 30grn berger there arent any!! Its a simple case of bullet choice, not many for the .17", plenty for the .223" You can make most ballistics data run in your favour by picking the best load for your chosen cartridge and a not such a good one for another. Pick the best for .17" and the best for .223" and its a no contest mate. Ian. Shat, you beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red mist Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Redmist,Your argumant falls as soon as you up the bullet weight with the 223, a 75 grn A-max @3000fps destroys your 25grn load at 4150. You need to step up to a heavier bullet to beat that but apart from the 30grn berger there arent any!! Its a simple case of bullet choice, not many for the .17", plenty for the .223" You can make most ballistics data run in your favour by picking the best load for your chosen cartridge and a not such a good one for another. Pick the best for .17" and the best for .223" and its a no contest mate. Ian. thats the std load for my 17 fast flat no richochet ............. the guy is shooting rabbit and fox not steel gongs , the load data supplied is for a wouldbe pest shooter . a fast twist 223 is a specialist target tool and i bet that 75grain load @ 3000fps (you wish) the more like 2600fps how long is the barrell 28" ,would bounce like a good un in a field full of sheep lets put things into prespective............... wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I have a .223, never shot a .17rem. The only comment I can make is why change it if it works for you? The .17 seems great on trajectory, but it's throwing what is pretty much a sped up HMR bullet! I don't see the point myself, as the knockdown power on larger targets (fox) has to be reduced greatly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager SA Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 i will put my custom 17rem with 25gr vmax driven @4150fps against a .223 with with 9 twist and 52grain a-max@3200fps just pump my 17 figures into any ballisatics calculator my 17 is still supersonic @850yrds drops 100" less and drifts 17" less but the .223 has 50ftlb more energy before the anti 17 brigade starts i shot a.223 for a few years if you said 22/250 well thats a diffrent story atvb wayne Purely academic, Its what the bullet will do when it gets there. Your load has around 956ftlb with a 25g bullet manufacturer BC 230, SD 121. My .223 has 1283ftlb of energy with a 50g bullet manufacturer BC 242, SD 142. Which will do the better job down range? Bearing in mind their SD and BC and the intended jod at hand. Now ive never seen a 50g V-MAX not break up, not at that (3400) velcocity. My load is a 27g Benchmark, 50g V-MAX, Fed primer and Lap brass. Makes mince meat out of Charlie and Redmist... out of hedge hoppers. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menial 1 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 i have a 223 and have just got some land passed for it..My shooting buddy has a 1.7 centerfire ansd says i should get rid of my 223 and get a 1.7 centerfire and advise plz...shooting foxes and rabbits...TIA Can your mate's .17 Rem legally shoot chinks, munty and also roe in Scotland, my .223 can be used for these tasks as well as the more usual quarry species. Pop into nine out of ten gunshops and ask how many different brands of factory fodder they have in either calibre, also what bullets they stock with regard to reloading either calibre. Ammunition choice for .223 is phenomenal and easily acquired anywhere around the globe. If .17 Rem was all that then the military would probably have used it instead of .223 [5.56]. It's a nice little round that suits far fewer people than the one you already have, Each to their own , but I fail to understand some peoples need to constantly try to pick holes in somebody's calibre choice when it differs from their own. Just my opinion, to which I'm entitled without dispute. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 [quote a fast twist 223 is a specialist target tool and i bet that 75grain load @ 3000fps (you wish) the more like 2600fps how long is the barrell 28" ,would bounce like a good un in a field full of sheep lets put things into prespective............... wayne My shooting buddy launches 75grn V-max's @ a genuine chronoed ave. of 3010fps out of his "STANDARD" Tikka T3 Varmint which i think has a 24" barrel, hardly a specialist target tool. Put that into perspective mate................ Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigun Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 having never shot the .17 cf but have the .223 for some yrs ,and was told by an old shooting man who was and maybe still is alive and was well respected in the none shooting and shooting world ,once told me you will never want another rifle if you go and get the .17cf it kills the lot he said .its so fast and flat flying and so nice to shot it will kill the lot ,he did tell me he had shot deer with it ,foxs ect and all died fast ,this man would now be in his 90s by now and had killed every thing from elephants to lions to the humble rabbit not with the 17cf i may add he had a sec 5 firearms licence and did build guns and stuff for the Special Services in britain..he invented and built the thunder flash that was used in the embassy siege in london in the 80s and was once part owner of daystate airrifles and helped to invent the daystate airrifle at the begining so he new his stuff ..what i would like to add is this you dont need to leave big holes in both sides of a fox ect to make it dead as long as its dead on impact thats all what matters and if that bullet flys all that much flater and faster all the better .for a foxing rifle you need just to see the fox aim pull the trigger if it be 100 or 300yrds with out all that dieling moa stuff the 17cf will do just that i know my .20 cf does .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 having never shot the .17 cf but have the .223 for some yrs ,and was told by an old shooting man who was and maybe still is alive and was well respected in the none shooting and shooting world ,once told me you will never want another rifle if you go and get the .17cf it kills the lot he said .its so fast and flat flying and so nice to shot it will kill the lot ,he did tell me he had shot deer with it ,foxs ect and all died fast ,this man would now be in his 90s by now and had killed every thing from elephants to lions to the humble rabbit not with the 17cf i may add he had a sec 5 firearms licence and did build guns and stuff for the Special Services in britain..he invented and built the thunder flash that was used in the embassy siege in london in the 80s and was once part owner of daystate airrifles and helped to invent the daystate airrifle at the begining so he new his stuff ..what i would like to add is this you dont need to leave big holes in both sides of a fox ect to make it dead as long as its dead on impact thats all what matters and if that bullet flys all that much flater and faster all the better .for a foxing rifle you need just to see the fox aim pull the trigger if it be 100 or 300yrds with out all that dieling moa stuff the 17cf will do just that i know my .20 cf does .. a 22/250 will to if its set up right and hits harder but your right all the centrefire foxing rounds have there + and = points you just have to find the one that suites your needs most foxes are had between the 100 and 150 yard mark i guess but if you have a shoot that has big open fields like up north in england and scotland then im guessing you want something that shoots flat it makes things more easy for you which is what you want. a lot of people are going for the 17,tac20and 204 now because of the flat flying low recoil but its more of a rifle to have if your into reloading i would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest luckyjohn99 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 ok thanks to everyone who has replies points taken will keep the 223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest luckyjohn99 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 thanks to everyone who has replied to this ...i will stick with my 223 remy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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