coolforgot Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Really good as new, approx 20 rounds fired, I have now Sold the Rifle this was bought for. £165 inc P & P & transfer to your RFD ASE Ultra (25cal) North Star Proofed to 243 win5/8" UNF Threadused on 223Little used 20 shots MAXOver Barrel type ModOriginal box & price tagThis is a stamped & proofed Moderator, many mods are sold un-proofed & 'should' be proofed if you wish to sell on ! These are Rock-Solid mods, I would have kept it,but it was on a Howa I sold, my other 223 has an 1/2" thread & Mod, and the gun that replaced the Howa ,came threaded M18 with a Mod, so I was snookered and could'nt use my Ase......Doh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Incorrect. Nowhere in the firearms or proof acts does it state moderators have to be proofed. They are not an integral part of the firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Incorrect. Nowhere in the firearms or proof acts does it state moderators have to be proofed. They are not an integral part of the firearm. I think it's just good practice to have a proofed mod, as when you come to sell it the buyer knows it's been tested, and I would hate to think of the legal ramifications ,if there was an accident involving a moderator failure which was not 'in proof' , I think any insurer would jump on that as away to avoid paying a claim,leaving the owner of the unproofed mod open to a civil action and liability. So buying a mod 'in proof' gives some peace of mind. it may not be required in law as far as possession goes, but it's not against the law to cross the road without looking ! just better safe than sorry. I'm sure the seller to you of an unproofed mod, will say it's perfectly legal, but what would they say if it failed and there was a legal claim ! I bet the buyer would suddenly find himself very ALONE !! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Any legal claim against the seller based on it not being proved would fail because it is not a requirement nor are there any standards for testing as the effects on them varies depending on the firearm it's attached to. Proof houses have a tendency to stamp muzzle brakes that are fitted when the rifle is submitted to proof but it only means it passed proof on that firearm. You could fit it to one with the same calibre but a much larger cartridge and blow it to pieces. Same goes for mods. Also it's Utra not Ultra. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav61 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Will you accept £150 inc p&p for your ASE Utra .25 cal 5/8"unf sound moderator? I'll send RFD details to you if my offer is accepted. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Will you accept £150 inc p&p for your ASE Utra .25 cal 5/8"unf sound moderator? I'll send RFD details to you if my offer is accepted. Regards Thanks for the offer, I paid £300 inc postage for the mod, and I'm reluctantly selling it because as I said , I sold the gun (howa) it was on and bought a remmy ,which was a different thread & came with a T4 I've been offered £150 before,but it will cost me £15 to RFD transfer and I want to come out of it with a minimum of £150 after P&P, I just could'nt live with myself to get £135 lol I need a min of £165 i'm afraid ! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Will you accept £150 inc p&p for your ASE Utra .25 cal 5/8"unf sound moderator? I'll send RFD details to you if my offer is accepted. Regards Thanks for the offer, I paid £300 inc postage for the mod, and I'm reluctantly selling it because as I said , I sold the gun (howa) it was on and bought a remmy ,which was a different thread & came with a T4 I've been offered £150 before,but it will cost me £15 to RFD transfer and I want to come out of it with a minimum of £150 after P&P, I just could'nt live with myself to get £135 lol I need a min of £165 i'm afraid ! Regards Mike Any legal claim against the seller based on it not being proved would fail because it is not a requirement nor are there any standards for testing as the effects on them varies depending on the firearm it's attached to. Proof houses have a tendency to stamp muzzle brakes that are fitted when the rifle is submitted to proof but it only means it passed proof on that firearm. You could fit it to one with the same calibre but a much larger cartridge and blow it to pieces. Same goes for mods. Also it's Utra not Ultra. Sorry. Are you a Lawyer ? I put the Topic on 'FOR SALE' not 'general discussion ? I dont think your interested to buy it ? and I'm not interested in further 'debate' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I did two years of a law degree before changing to something that wouldn't cost me my soul. I came to the thread because I have a friend looking for a mod for his .243, I sent him the link but couldn't help replying to a conversation already in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav61 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 OK then £165 it is. How did you want to proceed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breacher Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I think it's just good practice to have a proofed mod, as when you come to sell it the buyer knows it's been tested, and I would hate to think of the legal ramifications ,if there was an accident involving a moderator failure which was not 'in proof' , I think any insurer would jump on that as away to avoid paying a claim,leaving the owner of the unproofed mod open to a civil action and liability. So buying a mod 'in proof' gives some peace of mind. it may not be required in law as far as possession goes, but it's not against the law to cross the road without looking ! just better safe than sorry. I'm sure the seller to you of an unproofed mod, will say it's perfectly legal, but what would they say if it failed and there was a legal claim ! I bet the buyer would suddenly find himself very ALONE !! lol So, what about muzzle brakes ? Would you insist on having a muzzle brake proofed too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I think it's just good practice to have a proofed mod, as when you come to sell it the buyer knows it's been tested, and I would hate to think of the legal ramifications ,if there was an accident involving a moderator failure which was not 'in proof' , I think any insurer would jump on that as away to avoid paying a claim,leaving the owner of the unproofed mod open to a civil action and liability. So buying a mod 'in proof' gives some peace of mind. it may not be required in law as far as possession goes, but it's not against the law to cross the road without looking ! just better safe than sorry. I'm sure the seller to you of an unproofed mod, will say it's perfectly legal, but what would they say if it failed and there was a legal claim ! I bet the buyer would suddenly find himself very ALONE !! lol So, what about muzzle brakes ? Would you insist on having a muzzle brake proofed too ? this Topic is in 'For Sale' not general discussion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav61 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Did you manage to send it to my RFD yesterday (Monday)? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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