londonhunter Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just wondering if anybody has much dialing experience with either the 15 or 25x tactical model Your experience compared to PMII ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Sadly no personal experience. A chap in CZ rep rates his. The issue stopping my purchase was premieres business record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Just wondering if anybody has much dialing experience with either the 15 or 25x tactical model Your experience compared to PMII ? Thanks This guy does some good reviews, albeit a little aged now, but worth a read. http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzi Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I had one a couple of years ago. I was then and still do run a 5-25 pmii and directly compared alongside it the Premier 5-25 had slightly larger field of view and in terms of image quality was, date i say, ever so slightly brighter at dusk-dark test. The premier was FFP though and that may have given it a tiny edge over my 2FP pmii? Dialling and clicks were spot on, the dials were huge and it had MTC which i liked but was never 100 % psychologically comfortable with the toggle locking turrets but I was unable to find them ho wrong. At the time a 5x erector tube FFP was fairly rare and the reticle got very big and small but i have since got ised to these and combined with decent illumination systems to make them stand out at low mag/wide field of view/tiny ret situations i have come to prefer them. The problem is, they were quite obviously designed to compete and compare with pmii's and pmii's have since returned the favour with the MTC and daft lens caps that require half an inch barrel clearance(cant remember their name off the top of my head), they fet in the way of the bolt handle too. Schmidt have just fallen off the rader with nobody holding decent uk stock levels, plenty of advertising but VERY WEAK warranty offered and who has the Premiers? The one i got was from Gary Hyde and he is no longer operating although his business at the time, LGA if memory serves have continued to advertise and supply some although it has looked like residual stock? Lack of confident supply chain and advertising seems to thwart Premier and that is before we get into internal goings on and politics in many German optical companies these days with fact and rumour virtually inseperable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonhunter Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Do you know who makes their glass ? Germany sourced assembled in the USA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 The Premiers where lab tested at SAAB laboratories (I think it was...) by swedish magazine Vapentidningen last year (?can't remember exactly which number). Anyway, from the test numbers against the competition (March, Kahles etc) the Premier came out as an inferior optical product with a higher price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzi Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I suspect the staff at several of the 'newer' german optical companies play musical chairs in terms of employment duration. The product quality my be equally variable. Only the big boys like Swarovski, Zeiss or Leica for example seem to maintain quality control standards, many others seem to do tuesday morning and friday afternoon qc standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonhunter Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 No wonder LG are dumping them Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 What price is Luke dumping them at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 It was number 3/ 2012 and the issue can be ordered at Vapentidningen.se (special interest I suppose, swedish text) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonhunter Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I just spoke to a friend in the states He confirmed that the firm now operates outside the USA and long term warranty might be an issue Hmmm.... I might give it a miss now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 They list Hall & Watts as the UK supplier, although there is no mention of Premier on the Hall & Watts website........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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