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  1. 2 hours ago, Leeman said:

    Pengo,

    bear in mind that at 25 yards each click of a 1/4 MOA scope turret would move the point of aim 1/16 inch, subject to it's internal mechanical integrity, surely fine enough for any target.

    Leeman,

    That's a fair point, but some of these 25 yard targets are inward scoring and the "x" can be extremely difficult to cover without catching the outer line so, to me, finer is better.

  2. Just a thought, but.....if you're going to use that amount of magnification at those distances, the target is going to be rather close up, so I might suggest a scope with 1/8th MOA clicks would be better suited, rather than 1/4 MOA and definitely much better than any Mil clicks.

    That should give you a better target acquisition in my opinion.

    Good luck with whatever you choose and try to see if you can have alook through some of your fellow shooters scopes.

    Cheers.

    Paul

  3. I have the Sporter model and it isn't designed for use with a moderator fitted.

    I tend to develop my loads with the mod or muzzle break I'm going to use on the rifle and when I've found an accurate load, I simply remove it and then Chrono the load, much like Pat has said, there's not too much difference in FPS then.

    It's a great piece of kit, which is great value for money, in my opinion.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers.

    Paul

  4. On 12/23/2019 at 11:15 PM, Big Al said:

    I find the discussion on 6.5s usually narrows down to the 6.5x47 Lapua and the 6.5 Creedmoor Terry.

    If its about killing things then both will do that as good as the other. There is the argument that the Creedmoor has a bit more speed but others would argue the 47 has the edge on accuracy and fast misses are useless.

    From a competition perspective I think its easier to separate the two.

    I have only built three 6.5x47s with the sole intention to be benchrest rifles and all three have won at both 600 and 1000yds. I hold the 1000yd UKBRA small group and aggregate records with 2.778" and 5.5" and Darrel holds the UKBRA 600yd small group and aggregate records with his recent 0.944" and 1.8", I also built a rifle for Simon Mearns that won its share of comps and held the 600yd small group record at around 1.1" before Darrel lowered it to just over 1" and then again to his current 0.944"

    I haven't tested a 47 and a Creedmoor back to back to benchrest standard but the fact that I also dont know of anyone in the US benchrest scene that is shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor with any success suggests to me its been tried and hasn't cut the mustard. The 47 started life as 300yd competition round and then people started stretching its legs right out to 1000yds with success. Ive heard some people say that the 47 isn't big enough to shoot the heavy for caliber 140gr bullets and above. My own experience is that it will shoot the 147gr bullets just fine with the highest levels of accuracy, its ok pushing them harder with a Creedmoor and demonstrating impressive ballistics but if they dont all group closely then its of no interest to me. 

    Ive built and shot enough 47s to be certain that when it comes to accuracy and consistency a well tuned one will take some beating. As for the 47 (or any other case for that mater) being this magic caliber that always shoots small and is easy to tune Im not as sure, every barrel is different and all need to be treat as individuals and given what they want as opposed to what you want them to shoot. Good load development and a high degree of shooting consistency is needed to get any load really well tuned and more importantly repeatable. In that respect then I wouldn't say its any easier to tune a 47 than any other well known accurate case.

    Here is an example that will always stick in my mind from a couple of years ago.

    I had four 6.5x47 rifles to build from scratch, all were using 4 groove .256"/.264" Bartleins from the same batch of barrels, all were 8 twists. Over the course of about three months during the summer all four rifles were given to Simon Mearns for load development, Simon is meticulous and if a gun has the capability to shoot small he will exploit it. The first three all shot 140gr Berger Hybrids (from the same batch) into sub 0.25" five shot aggregate groups. Each was running very similar velocities and the charge weights were within 0.2gr and the seating depths were within 0.005" of each other. The fourth rifle wouldn't shoot that same batch of Bergers for toffee, groups were more around the 0.4" aggregate. A change off bullet on that fourth rifle to Hornady 147 ELDX and that barrel came alive, it joined the other three in the sub 0.25" five shot aggregate club.

    Ive got a soft spot for the 6.5x47 so that would be my choice of the 6.5s if ultimate accuracy was your goal, I also think there is enough evidence out there to back my feelings up.

     

    Hi there Al. Just to add my two penneth to the above statements of records held by the 6.5x47 Lapua, I can also agree that they really are everything and more you can expect in terms of accuracy, as I hold the current UK Benchrest record for the highest score at 1,000 yards, with a 98 ex 100, with 11 x V-Bulls, again this was done with my 6.5x47.

  5. 4 hours ago, justin credible said:

    Baldie does a mag conversion for a 6BR.

    I have one and it feeds beautifully and reliably, well worth the money.

    Do you mind me asking what rifle you had this done to and how much it cost, please?

    Is it an easy fix, or did you have to takeit to Baldie?

    I've got a Tikka 595 in 6BR and it's an absolute joy to own and use, but the mag feed issue does bug me, I have to say.

    Cheers. Paul

  6. 12 hours ago, BlueBoy69 said:

    Paul,

    In general, just go with the data for 169-170 bullets suitable for the type of bullet you have.

    The main variables are what the bullet is made of (its alloy and hence hardness), if its lubed or powder-coated, and if it's gas-checked.

    If it's plain based, lubed and not too hard, keep to the low side of the charge weights.

    If it's as above and gas-checked, you can go higher.

    The highest you can go, which will be near jacketed bullets load speed, would be with hard-cast, high-speed lube and gas-checked bullets.

    Do a load level ladder test to see what suits the bullets and gun combination you have. And as always, err on the side of caution.

    If you need more load data for 169-170 gr lead bullets, I think I have plenty.

    Neil

     

    Hi Neil,

    Thank you very much for your detailed information, it's much appreciated.

    I think I'll bear in mind what you have said and work uploads starting at 8.3 up to 10.1 in 0.3 increments and keep checking for pressure signs.

    I'm not sure how hard the bullet is, but it is RNFP, lubed and gas checked. I have bought these from the Shellhouse Bullet Company and not cast them myself.

    Hopefully things should be good.

    Many thanks

    Paul

     

  7. Just wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction for acquiring load data for a 165gn lead bullet in my Marlin 30/30 underlever, please?

    I have checked in the Lyman cast bullet handbook, but there is only data for 169gn & 170gn.

    I'll be using Alliant Unique powder and want to get things as good as I can before load development.

    Many thanks

    Paul

  8. 19 minutes ago, Chrisii2009 said:

    I had a message from ai saying they don't supply 6.5 barrels. So I'd have to contact sassen direct? Would they be as good as a bartlein/proof/krieger etc?

    Just contact Dave Wylde - Valkyrie Rifles - 9-5 Monday to Friday - 07889 388378. https://www.valkyrierifles.net/index.html

    Also known as Baldie on this forum.

    He's the only officially approved service centre for Accuracy International and he can supply and fit any barrel you choose onto your AX AI rifle, which includes Sassen.

    He's a great bloke, who'll talk you through everything.

    Cheers

    Paul

  9. +1. I'm happy to pay to have these made. I did try to contact Oaken to make some as part of the funds go to "Help for Heroes", but I never got a reply...

     

    +2 on that one.

     

    I'm quite a Luddite when it comes to technology, so I'd also be happy to pay to have these made.

     

    It would make my life so much easier....

     

    Just my thoughts.

     

    Cheers. Paul

  10. Primary stalking rifle

     

    Rem 700 6.5x284, blueprinted, Brux 8 tw barrel, PSE Composites Etac stock, Williams bottom metal and a few other modifications - built by me.

     

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    Secondary stalking rifle (for hinds)

     

    Standard Accuracy International AX folder, 20" Border, custom profile fluted barrel, 1.85tw, 6.5x47 Lapua - rebarrelled by me.

     

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    For the foxes in my life

     

    Tikka 595, 22-250 Ackley, 8tw, Border Cut originally made by Peter Jackson for me, but now tweaked a little by me.

     

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    For F Class

     

    A pair of Borden Rimrocks,

     

    Lightning blue - 7mm/270WSM, Benchmark 8 tw, Manners Carbon F Class stock, built by me, glass is March 5-40 FX

     

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    Black carbon - 284 Shehane, Benchmark btw, Manners Carbon F Class stock, built by me, Nightforce 8-32

     

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    Some lovely looking works of art, you have sir. Quite like the front rest as well...I don't suppose it's needing a new home by any chance!!! ;):D

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