Soggy biscuit Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Hi would it be worth building a semi custom 6.5 creedmoor on a model 70 action ? And would it need blueprinting like a remmy. I'm on a tight budget so it's either a 70 or a howa. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Probably not cost effective.... What do you want it it achieve? Barrel-up to £800 Stock-several hundred£ Action truing £200 Action? trigger? etc.... and it's still a budget factory rifle,semi customed..... The barrel and stock alone will get you into new Ruger PR territory....though not to everyones taste,it seems a sound, good performing rifle in 6.5 Creedmore,if that's essential.... gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggy biscuit Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Hi gbal I want something I can use for foxing and occasionally stalking but mainly informal target shooting and learning to shoot long range. I was thinking a 24 inch light varmint profile would be OK and mabye a McMillan sako style stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banus02 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 good morning ,nothing wrong with the model 70 friend has a coyote lite ,factory fitted bell and carson stock semi heavy fluted stainless barrel new was less than £700 .keep your rifle and watch for semi custom rifles that come up for sale on the forum,off road gary sold a lovelly 6.5x47 recently was on sale at a good price,you will find one in time.good ...............just notice a semi custom in the sales section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 OK,that helps a bit-the more you can spec your needs,the better replies you tend to get....(eg what is Long Range...400y,700y,1000y....?) but let's see if we can progress... Good news is that many cartridges and rifles will be possibles-but there will be compromises-the ideal woodland stalker for roe is not a good choice for 'LR' target shooting.... I take it that 'informal target shoorting' means non-competitive,and probably no more than 500y? Fox is easy,and 'deer legal' calibres rule out the 224 cfs...so we are into 6mm and up....OK 6.5 s fit the bill-OTT for fox,excellent for deer,very good wind learners (not the very best cartridges in the wind,but good-eg a 260rem is avaiable in factory options that suit and Federal loaded 140gSierra Game KIng @2750 fps drifts 3.4 inches at 200y and 25 inches at 500y in 10 mph wind.(Creedmore the same,much less availability factory loaded...so if you are handloading,set aside £250 or more for basic equipment-and that's another compromise.... That is the kind of drift that typifies the decent cartridges,so ypou'll learn useful lessons....easily transferable ...eg the excellent older 6.5x55 Swedish gives the sae drifts with Win factory 140 Soft Points....a Fed 95G 243 Bal tip@3025 gives 3 and 21 inches-the 243 is another good general purpose cartridge worth considering....308 win comes in similarly with the 155 and 168 loads.... I'd say the 308 is the most flexible general purpose,jack of all trades,non specialist option....and the widest choice of everything...though needlessly heavy for fox.......it's a very good 'compromise' first 'big' cf cartridge.... All these can be hsd in decent new rifles or better quality used examples....but if it just has to be the more specialist fashionable 6.5CM,choice will be limited. I don't think the cost of a custom barrel,and a pricey stock could be considered 'budget'-and there are all the other bits(trigger!). Mcmillans are excellent,but not needed (they copy the Sako factory wood-available on said used rifles anyhow....at this level-and probably for the needs mentioned high precision is not needed-or likely to be achieved for a while (that pesky wind!)...sure,a 1000y target rifle will help-but you are into several thousand pounds(and still need a scope of similar quality....). and hopeless for stalking,and poor for fox.Not yet,if ever.Fox and roe need one decently placed shot,not a group of five in 1/4 inch-so no need of heavy custom barrel; the barrel might help LR a bit,mag feed won't...more compromises? Lots of money poured into customising a basic factory action is likely to be a poor investment-be realistic (and some factories are very good-that's very good,not just adequate for purpose-and some customs lose their edge in the realities of field shooting..... At the fun/informal /learning level, speciality is not needed,and is always expensive-keep it for when you really know what it is you can use to best advantage,and opportunities. Do not assume the older cartridges have been superceeded for those purposes(or that rifle quality is always better in newer models). Almost all this applies to scopes too-get a mid quality used Leupold or similar in preference to an inferior cheap new scope;forget top range £2k scopes (they may well be compromises anyhow-even if optically far better than most eyes)-you do need good turrets for LR,and probably mag range of 5-25 My first thought suggestion,given what you say,would be something like a 6.5/260 Sako varmint,and not the newest model...I can live with the factory wood (and get a better scope rather than the fine,but just not needed Mcm replacent stock). Plenty sound Tikkas too....but always try before you buy. It won't win any national 1000y competitions,but then nothing that cost under £5K new is likely to do so either ( and that does not factor in 3-5 years learning the wind!) Plenty choice: if it has to be "x" only,then choice reduces-but you only need one. (you can get a fox/deer rig for the price of a rebarrel,remember-barrel length irrelevant-as within a very broad swathe of cartridges velocity makes little difference..at 200y fox ranges,there is virtually no difference for 'flat'..and as above,it's close to negligible at twice that.....even in the 100y old swede.....though don't get a 100 year old one! g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banus02 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 good afternoon ,a tikka super varmint will do all you ask and more,may not have the bling affect but works and you can put the money saved towards the scope/ammo/extras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggy biscuit Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I forgot to mention I currently shoot 6.5x55 in a howa sporter but I'm not happy with it in its factory configuration. By informal I mean out to 600 but would like to be able to stretch to 1000 when I'm good enough. It will be used for roe and possibly muntjac if I can get down south to shoot one.I have looked at the tikka varmint in 6.5x55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggy biscuit Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I forgot to mention I currently shoot 6.5x55 in a howa sporter but I'm not happy with it in its factory configuration. By informal I mean out to 600 but would like to be able to stretch to 1000 when I'm good enough. It will be used for roe and possibly muntjac if I can get down south to shoot one.I have looked at the tikka varmint in 6.5x55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I forgot to mention I currently shoot 6.5x55 in a howa sporter but I'm not happy with it in its factory configuration. By informal I mean out to 600 but would like to be able to stretch to 1000 when I'm good enough. It will be used for roe and possibly muntjac if I can get down south to shoot one.I have looked at the tikka varmint in 6.5x55.[/quo ah well,why not get a Sako varmint in 6.5x55.(I'd look hard for a 75,and £750 ish). You know the cartridge and may have reloading gear,and liked the Mcm copy stock....you won't neeed to replace the Sako stock.....saving £450 for what really matters. Probably be just a better shooter than Howa too-or Win,though that is down to individual rifles.( Ackleyised,and in a LR rifle,the Swedish is quite competitive at 1000y,not cutting edge but better than most shooters/wind readers. I like it-though whether 125 fps more really matters is moot-you have to just live with the reality that a useable fox/deer rifle will not be a good LR rig,and very much vice versa....8lb rifle for 1000 y/20 lb rifle for stalking-that about sums up the big compromises with one rifle....get your primary shooting sorted,see if LR is really as satisfying...at the personal level,it's a challenge...some like the challenge a field/stalking rifle forces on the shooter! If I were doing a lot of range shooting to 600y,maybe longer,and maybe a sniff at deer,sometime and a few foxes (I'd leave them for some young hot shot), then i'd consider a Sako TRG in 308.....nothing needs changed,and it's quality rifle (though it costs more than the 75 models -it's unlikely you'd outshoot it's functionality and performance anytime soon.) I didn't of course,but wasn't restricted to one rifle. :-) g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggy biscuit Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Well I'm now looking at a sporting services 6.5x47 nimrod rifle (has a Winchester 3 position safety) and will keep the x55 for stalking only and when it's shot out re barrel in a weird and wonderful caliber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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