spanner Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Was thinking of one as a truck gun for Vermin, mainly longer range Crows and Rabbits. The idea of low noise and recoil levels with a very flat trajectory appeal as does the fact it could be approved for Vermin in Lancs. Does anyone use one and if so how do you find it. Would I loose alot cutting the barrel back to 20 iches or so to keep it handy with a Moderator fitted? I don't reload at present, could anyone give me an approximate cost of the Factory ammo and how much reloads work out at? Would it be possible to load this calibre with a small hand press? Last question, other than Cooper and Remington what other factory rifles are there? Would love a Cooper, I owned one for a few years in 223 but funds are limited unless by magic I came across one SH. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 SPANNER- i have A COOPER 38 in 17fb reload my own with 221 fb brass shoots nice tight groups out to 200yds. it is an ideal short range vermin gun, charlie gets his share too with a 25gn berger just rolls them over. i would have a bbl at 22" as mine is ,as for factory fodder iv never bought a factory round for any rifle for 20yrs reloading is the way for the 17,s i think factory ammo-remington20accutip is about £40 for 20 :o very expensive i can reload for about 30p a go only need a few bunnys to offset the costs.if its a truck gun for vermin i would look at a.22hornet this will do all your vermin and a sight cheaper than the fb.factory rifles are limited and i wouldnt have a remmy given.reloading is as easy as any calibre with a good press but with small calibres you have to know what you are doing. small increases in powder can give huge pressure spikes thats not good for your health if it goes tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Was thinking of one as a truck gun for Vermin, mainly longer range Crows and Rabbits. The idea of low noise and recoil levels with a very flat trajectory appeal as does the fact it could be approved for Vermin in Lancs. Does anyone use one and if so how do you find it. Would I loose alot cutting the barrel back to 20 iches or so to keep it handy with a Moderator fitted? I don't reload at present, could anyone give me an approximate cost of the Factory ammo and how much reloads work out at? Would it be possible to load this calibre with a small hand press? Last question, other than Cooper and Remington what other factory rifles are there? Would love a Cooper, I owned one for a few years in 223 but funds are limited unless by magic I came across one SH. Thanks. I have a r700 in FB and it is a belting calibre. Mine has the 1/9 twist so will stabilise the 25gr Vmax. IME this is the MAIN concern when choosing a .17. The BC of the various bullet heads is dismal with the exception of the excellent 25 gr Vmax with a BC of .23. But you need 1/9 to stabilise it though. The round is not fussy IME to get right and costs about 30p. This is only a shade more than HMR! You get 223-beating ballistics, very little noise, and yes a long barrel is not necessary. Mine is 22" IIRC and I get 3720fps without punishing the brass. It can shoot lots of rounds without fouling and the brass seems very strong to me. A thoroughly recommend choice for the needs you suggest, I reckon mate PS i do all my loading with a little lee hand press and much prefer the feel it gives over the "oooh, i could crush a grape" uber mega vice reloading presses that have to be secured to a desk of sheer Unobtainium to resize a tiny wee soft piece of brass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 my fireball is 23 inches. but the smith that done it has built a number of them with 20 and even 18 inch barrels. great for shooting out the truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Thanks for the replies gents, think I will get a variation in and buy a hand press! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Looking at Coopers they are 1 in 10 twist which according to this should be OK for the 25GRN VMAX? http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Looking at Coopers they are 1 in 10 twist which according to this should be OK for the 25GRN VMAX? http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html No mate - don't know anyone who's got them going in a 1/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 No mate - don't know anyone who's got them going in a 1/10 richness is right-i tried every formula going for the 25vmax in the end i threw the remainder of the box into the scrap bin there too long for the cooper barrels on the other hand the berger 25gn match/varmint shoot small groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 richness is right-i tried every formula going for the 25vmax in the end i threw the remainder of the box into the scrap bin there too long for the cooper barrels on the other hand the berger 25gn match/varmint shoot small groups. Yeah trust me, spanner: Buy the remington with the 1/9 mate and save the lovely cooper idea for another day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Yeah trust me, spanner: Buy the remington with the 1/9 mate and save the lovely cooper idea for another day OK thanks for the advice Gents, do the Remmys come as 1 in 9 twist as standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 OK thanks for the advice Gents, do the Remmys come as 1 in 9 twist as standard? Yes mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Yes mate Thanks. Is yours the SPS, if so how do you find the stock of a bipod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Thanks. Is yours the SPS, if so how do you find the stock of a bipod? Yep awful stock but fully bedded and stiffened and it is now great. I must say that the Devcon removes practically all the flex in the stock and is a total must-do when dealing with these nasty low-end plastic stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Photos attached of stock bedding. The fore-end is stuffed full of devcon and lollipop sticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Brilliant thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 i've got one in remington model 7 preditor ! 22" barrell fluted 1-9 twist . Cracking round shot a vixen Saturday night 231 m . Forgot to add reloading costs. 100 rem .17 fireball cases are £ 60 i'm up to 6 reloads and only 1 case is U/s (crushed it by mistake) 1lb H498 £ 39.00 16gr per load = 0ver 400 loads per lb primers 3p each 25 gr v max £ 20 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 £60 pound for 100 cases ? i only pay £42 for 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I use a Remington Model 7 CDL in 17FB and IMO it's a brilliant cartridge. Way more consistent than my HMR. But the downside, when using a centrefire for volume shooting, is that reloading can become a PITA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richness Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 True but I've been surprised how many steps I can leave out or shorten without accuracy being affected. It helps that it is not a fussy cartridge at all. I have left out all the cleaning of the cases. I simply lube, FL, trim, chamfer and prime. The load isn't fussy to within about .4gr so I hardly wait for the scales to slow down before I whack it in. Seating is fussy so I'm always careful there. I can load 100 in the time it would take me to drive to the rfd and back for hmr rounds. I'm also not annealing until about the 5th firing (instead of about 3x) so time saved there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 True but I've been surprised how many steps I can leave out or shorten without accuracy being affected. It helps that it is not a fussy cartridge at all. I have left out all the cleaning of the cases. I simply lube, FL, trim, chamfer and prime. The load isn't fussy to within about .4gr so I hardly wait for the scales to slow down before I whack it in. Seating is fussy so I'm always careful there. I can load 100 in the time it would take me to drive to the rfd and back for hmr rounds. I'm also not annealing until about the 5th firing (instead of about 3x) so time saved there too Richness my fb is very powder fussy its got to be within.1 -.2 to get repeat accuracy but its no big deal,i agree about the case prep i dont go to town on the cases i tumble them[100] every 3rd firing and have never annealed the brass im on at the moment -221 formed to .17 iv just got a few 25gn berger varmints that shoot bug holes with benchmark and they are mustard on bunnys in fact going out tonight if its not too windy then i will take the 6ppc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 £60 pound for 100 cases ? i only pay £42 for 100 Where from ?? P Lawman quoted me £ 60 plus P&P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Where from ?? P Lawman quoted me £ 60 plus P&P I had my 1st lot from reloading solutions I think they where £47 for 100 cases and next lot of 200 from midway uk. on midway they are £42 but post is a standard £8 i think ! im lucky as I use a rfd not to far from me. and he gets me anything for the cost on midway site. but doesn't charge me any post to get it from them. matter a fact i bet he could get you some and post it to you cheaper then you could get it off them with post ! thats how silly midways postage fees are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I had my 1st lot from reloading solutions I think they where £47 for 100 cases and next lot of 200 from midway uk. on midway they are £42 but post is a standard £8 i think ! im lucky as I use a rfd not to far from me. and he gets me anything for the cost on midway site. but doesn't charge me any post to get it from them. matter a fact i bet he could get you some and post it to you cheaper then you could get it off them with post ! thats how silly midways postage fees are Please ask him if he can ! Coldweld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 i sent you a link in pm to the rfd. tell him i put you in touch. he will sort you some out. atb jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splash Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Cheers Jamie . I would not try to justify what caliber you use with deker on the other site ? I'm sure he's a troll, But not so pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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