onehole

No problem thanks,,O

Sorry Callum?Foggy......My post was a question ?.....I "would" take 500 posted seems you really need the postage covered,,OK will have a think,,,,sorry if a misunderstaning has occured,,,,,O

I would take 500 for £100 posted,,,?,,thanks .,,,O

I would take this for £130 posted,? thanks ,,,,O

On 31 July 2019 at 6:22 PM, cooter said:

How close are the weights to the 87grn they are meant to be?

Have you tried batch weighing the whole box?

Cooter,,,,not really done this as a rule but this morning I have weighed 50each of the following,,,,,87g VMax    80g Nosler Varmint   8g0 Berger FB Varmint.     The Vmax ranged from 86.9 to 87.4 the Nosler somewhat half of this variance and the Berger almost perfect. Cant be assed to do the whole boxes,,ha!,,,,,,,,,,,,,For "my purpose"e not sure the Hornady spread would make any difference to required accuracy. As I have said above once the measurements have been confirmed and adjusted to sit within the rifles chamber I have no problem with the hornady accuracy at all ,,,they shoot in the .2,s in my 243 and 6BR. You just gotta know what your dealing with,,,regds,,O

Andrew is asking how they shoot,,,,,they shoot very well when they are all pretty much the same.The point of the post was to highlight Hornadys continuing poor quality control.This has happened to me numerous times so there must be a lot more of the blighters out there. How cant they manage to box up from a better controlled run from individual machines.I appreciate dies etc do wear etc when making such huge numbers but simply in this day and age monitoring could be better managed I,m sure. There is also a safety issue and a heads up to some that you must not ever assume your next purchase of box of hornady is going to be the same as your last and to make fresh measurements before proceeding as you could well be stuffing your new bullets hard in the lands in a worst case scenario or a lot further off than you intended.I know there are going to be many that cant be assed to measure every bullet but please at the very least one should check where bullets from your new lot actually measure up in your chamber and any inconsistent seating is investigated. i guess if one is loading to sammi/factory COAL spec then quality control is less of an issue...hey ho..............O

Gruntus,,,,Hi,,,I can honestly say apart from lot to lot small differences I have never had a problem with Bergers and preferred bullet for some serious work on the range.,,,O

I have brought this up before on  lengthy posts but have recently bought two boxes same batch Hornady 87g Vmax bullets and on loading I noticed two loadings showing inconsistent readings on case base to ogive readings which is a tell tale that there is probably something wrong and first suspicion it will be with the bullets !,,,,,Only course of action is to measure every bullet and to no great surprise I identified seventeen further culprits,,,,they measured 12 thou difference to the rest on base to ogive and the rest showed a two thou variance not enough to worry about for my application but the 12 thou is!!! So appx 10% of these 200 were probably from a different machine?,,,,,I raise this again if only for a few on here that may be new to reloading or have had some unexplained discrepancies either in reloading or indeed the odd unexlained flyer in a shot group which can certainly mess up load development.Hope this was of some interest,,,,,,,,O

37 minutes ago, That bald headed Geordie said:

Ok Nick,  the only problem you could have in using the neck sizing die only after multiply firings  is that your not full length resizing the case and might find your  cases will eventually not fit into the chamber until full length resized.    Also the case headspace dimension might be excessive and the case will be too tight to close your bolt.

This is were the Redding 6BR small base type S full length resizing die fits the bill it does everything in one pass.    I have long since stopped using just a neck sizing die as at somepoint you will have to use the full length die,  or a shoulder bump die along with your neck size die.

Hope that info helps.

 

Small base  Redding resizing body die dimenions are quite tight and perhaps excessive ?,,,,,ideal for very tight chambered barrells but not sure for standard chamber dimensions,,,,,,,please check,,,O

2 hours ago, Nick 53 said:

Hi,

Thanks for the information.

I have a neck die with a bushing in the die , it should give me 3 thou tension around the neck.

When I come to use the neck bushing die do I need to lube inside the neck?

Thanks Nick

Hi,,,,,,Looks like you have a die and bush to size your neck to 3 thou ,,,,2 thou maybe better?,,,get another bush 1 thou larger?. To full length size just get a redding body die as they are quite cheap really to full length size and bump shoulders back to a desired amount. Competition shell holder set will make this easier. Only time you will need lube is on the outside of case during partial FL size and bump procedure. All this requires is a two die set up and regime but can of course be done in one operation with a redding FL sizing and neck bushing die along with a comp set of shell holders......The same can be acheived by adjusting just the FL size and neck bushing die in the press using the press to cam over centre and locking off the die in the best position to acheive necessary bump back,,,,,,,,,,i dont like this and rather use comp shell holders to arrive at correct bump and you can acheive this without having to cam over centre as any workable stop on the downstroke of the press handle will be sufficeint. I have never ever needed to lube the inside of necks,,,,,,,,,,,O

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Agree the above video shows mechanical proof but I think as long as your consistent with feel and measurement you can do ok with a Hornady set up and a fired in your rifle modified case is very important. I use my own homemade all metal "Hornady type" tool and with modified cases and check touch points every couple hundred rounds appx and always when starting a new "batch" of same bullets.

On 14 July 2018 at 3:19 PM, onehole said:

Recent experience,,,,not for me personally but a friend of mine could not get a 243 passed for "fox control" on its own. 243 as pointed out by his FEO was primarily a deer calibre and had his variation/application refused .....here we go,,,,,,,,,O?

Thought I would have gotten more response to this,,,,,has anyone gotten a 243 for fox,,,? If so what were the magic words for reason to acquire? Our FEO did not have a problem in shooting a fox with 243 whilst out deer hunting but pure fox control was refused. Anyone,,,,,,,

A friend of mind bought a Browning against my  more preferred recommendation for a  Tikka or Sako. He now has a Sako after huge disappointment with the Brownings performance especially in trigger and accuracy which are most key elements. The Sako was much more expensive though!! ,,,feel a bit more financial pain or save a bit longer,,,it will be worth it. Calibre in question was 308 with lighter weight barrels where the Sako would provide sustained  performance over the Brownings.Not that you would normally subject  light weight barrels to extended fire but the Browning clearly would not hold a decent group despite load development and timely cool bore shots over the Sako. The Sako would also hold group long after the Browning on extended shooting as well. Just my view and with hands on shooting of both.Hope this helps a little,,,O

Recent experience,,,,not for me personally but a friend of mine could not get a 243 passed for "fox control" on its own. 243 as pointed out by his FEO was primarily a deer calibre and had his variation/application refused .....here we go,,,,,,,,,O?

OCW and  fine tune charge at 200,,,,,,,,not convinced seating depth should be a secondary necessity at all,,,,,I like to be close to lands and then just OCW to it,,,,,,,,never had a problem,,,,,,just my way and I pay heed to the secrets and findings of the "Houston Warehouse",,,,,makes a lot of sense. In addition unless you are almost anal in your approach to a consistent and repetitive reloading regime you will fail,,,,O

Another arrived in Cornwall today,,,,,,many thanks Lubo,,,,,have shared the cost and ownership with a mate,,,looking forward to learning this annealing lark,,,,have always avoided it but hoping to extend the life of those precious tight necked and turned PPC and 6BR cases.......kind regards and was a pleasure to buy from you Lubo,,,,,atb,,,,,O

Glad all you respected guys are talking,,,,,,thanks that's what we pay you for,,,,,O

Hi,,I,m sure your post will be of interest to the "smithys" on here,,,,,,,I,m "just" a shooter but have had my smith obtain "non stamdard " reamers in the past from overseas and a long wait!!...good to have some UK based company that may be able to help us in the future,,,good luck and hope you get some business,,,,,,,,O

You cannot buy the best subsonic ammo ever made , as its been out of production for quite a few yrs , it was called " Scoremax " by Lapua , 46gr subsonic match ammo made for Biathlon shooting .

Yeah I remember those,,,,really did buck wind better and grouped as tight as their midas offerings,,,,,,,O

The quietest and most really subsonic/accurate round I have found is the RWS subsonic hollowpoint.It will generally hold an inch at 75 yards most of the time.If you want the best and most accurate 22lr ammo then all the match ammo is subsonic or rather should be so check out eley match/tenex or lapua midas offerings.If you want or think that .22lr hollow point ammo does hollow/soft/ point or ballistic tip centrefire type rapid expansion ,,,its way way short of anything like it.

I have retrieved shot hollowpoint heads from various materials out to 100 yards and they plainly do not reliably deform anymore than match type heads so I would and do use match ammo and head shoot all of the time,,,? regds,,,O

Just loved those pics,,,thank you for that ,,,drooling over all that machinery,,,,hats off to you smithys,,,just love the engineering!!!!

Off a heavy Bald eagle rest and heavy rear bag trigger pinching has produced really good results for me in cals 223,6PPC and 6BR but my 308 no way! that needs a firmish hold to control and shoot tight.