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Wow that's a pretty bad photoshop, just shows the lengths his went to convict people his genuine.

I don't think much will be done about it from what I could ascertain. My logic was, if they where willing to meet me down a lane with cash for a firearm that I was buying. The worst outcome would be to give me a kicking and take the cash. If they where willing to do that then what's to stop them arranging to buy a firearm and doing the same.

Hi, Phill I also got the same address where they wanted me to go and collect the firearm from. I did pass it onto the Police although it's probably just been picked at random off the internet.

It’s reported to the police. I think it’s difficult to do much about it but at least there is a record of it. The ad is actually a genuine ad from Nebraska lifted by the scammers.

Yes looks that way, they obviously haven’t spotted this post yet. Very polite, I’d still think it was %100 genuine if I’d not already seen the duplicate add.

Yeah I continued the email conversation They wanted me to drive to an address down a lane in Kirkby Stephen to do the deal with cash. Not good at all.

Just a heads up gents, I placed an ad as I'm still looking for a 223 AR-15 Aero Precision. Today I received an email from a member on here who joined on Wednesday "annexgunz1" hopefully admin can delete. telling me he knows a guy called Baros in Cumbria selling exactly that and passed me his email. (cokerbaros@gmail.com) Lo and behold Baros replies with pictures and a description of the perfect rifle. After asking for details I received the following. When I said I could collet it all went quiet. A quick searched revealed the exact same rifle for sale in Nebraska. here is the link http://www.nextechclassifieds.com/listings/1735231/ also sporting the same description. I'm not sure if this is a common scam but be warned there is people out there trying to rob you of you're hard earned cash. I'm still on the hunt for something similar to the AR in the scam so if any genuine sellers are out there feel free to contact me.

I found this too to confuse things some more 😂 Practise is the "repeated performance or systematic exercise for the purpose of acquiring skill or proficiency". The word 'practice' on the other hand, refers to "exercise or pursue as a profession, art or occupation". The doctor is a "practitioner" (noun) who is trained in medical practice.

It's probably best to do it in writing Roy. You'd have to give a reason on record then if it's a no can do.

All great points and very interesting, I wouldn't say a vermin FAC shooter shooting on a range is a loop hole id say its specifically put on the certificate so it can be done. What's interesting is my FAC states "zeroing-practice on ranges" This is a really broad statement and it could be interpreted as more than zeroing. How can you practice at zeroing surely its something that's just done. You could practice marksmanship and improve accuracy and shot consistency in line with shooting quarry. You could even shoot at deer shaped targets 🤣. One could ask for the "Target-shooting" to be added with something along the lines of; Please may I have target-shooting condition amended to my FAC. I intend to shoot targets for zeroing accurately and to practice. Also to test reloads and enter the odd competition as a guest on ranges. I note that under the conditions on my FAC in section 5 it already states zeroing practice on ranges, but would just like to add the amendment to the cert if possible to cover the other activities. They can only say no.

From what I can ascertain it depends on the club rules. From reading on the internet and other shooters experiences. It's established its possible to shoot on a range as a guest and not be a member. This is fact even when your FAC is for shooting over land/Vermin.You can not do this the other way round though. This would make sense as I'm not a club member but my FAC is open so I can travel anywhere. It also states I can shoot on a range for zeroing and practice. I'd like to think the legislation on the FAC has been thought out and wouldn't have been put on there if it wasn't possible. The practice part to me would probably cover testing self reloads and seeing how they work out for accuracy at different distances. The "practice" part before the "zeroing" wold also indicate that's it's not restricted to zeroing alone. If you click the link below you will see this range will allow you to do exactly that but limits visits to three times a year, others don't have a limit https://www.barryshootingcentre.co.uk/membership-faqs/

Apologies if I come across augmentative. I'm just trying to get clear facts. I appreciate you have insight into range shooting. I have non as a civvi. I'm competent and safe on a range and would like to know the possibility to use one to check zero my rifles after paying the fee for use. It's not going to be in the interest of a shooting clubs to do it this way but it appears some do allow it and it can be done. Also from a bit of research it seems you can add target shooting to a fac without being in a club. I could be wrong but it would be nice to know.

43 minutes ago, Popsbengo said: The relevance was the part where you said this bit: By the way, you won't get near a MoD range without being a probationer under supervision or holding a SCC (NRA safe shooters card)

Thanks, I've shot on most of the the MOD rages in the country, during the day and night time just not a a civvi. It's the non MOD ranges I'd use to zero as they are closer and therefore more convent. Seems as though you have an issue with guys who are not members of a shooting club using a range.

Yes I can see what your saying, What I'm saying is its obviously a grey area. I beg to differ with respect to 5 rounds. What if someone wants to check zero different bullets at different zero distances. And just generally see how different loads affect zeroing. Or as you stated are having some technical issues with the rifle. It would not be easy to define. Shooting at a target is shooting at a target. And who would be counting. As a side note looking around the internet guys have been advised by FAO's to just not enter competitions if using a range. I'd like to see an example of someone being prosecuted. It also appears that you can have Target shooting on a FAC without being a member of a shooting club. I'd be interested if any one can conform this. People seem to have done it without paying for a variation. Guys that soot over land also have FMJ on their tickets for targets too. Seems allot of grey area in this. Let's not forget that you initially told me you can't shoot on a range without being a member of a club full stop. And for the record before I visit a range with my own rifles to zero i'll defiantly try to obtain target shooting to be safe what's to lose by doing this.

Thanks guys, This is all great stuff and I'm learning allot. It seems that as I already have a FAC with "zeroing on ranges" I can turn up to a range as a guest pay the man and use my rifles to shoot at targets to check zero. Where this is different form just shooting at a targets I'm not sure. It would be difficult to define it from the observer point. It also looks like I can ask to have" target shooting" applied to my FAC just to be safe for free without actually joining a gun club too. This would be the best way. Theoretically you could enter competitions like this too. I suppose the catch is that if you wanted a rifle specifically for shooting at targets that you would then have to join a club to justify good reason for that rifle.

Thanks again. I did find this and did some more digging on the subject. From what I can gather you can shoot with hunting rifles on a range as a visitor as but not enter competitions. You'd probably not want to make a habit out of doing it all of the time without adding Target shooting to the FAC. I'm going to try to do this as I don't want to join a club but would like to use a few rages initially a few times a year. I suppose it's all down to the range and what they say in the end. I can't see how shooting at a target to check zero is different from shooting at a target in any other aspect though. I would be a hard one to prove in front of a judge should you be in the wrong unknowingly. You should be OK. This question came up only last month…. link at end.Every FAC should have the standard Home Office condition, and this automatically covers zeroing on MOD and Home Office Approved Club (HOAC) ranges. You do not need a separate Condition to do this if your FAC has the standard one (below). The *calibre RIFLE/COMBINATION/SMOOTH-BORE GUN/SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin including fox, and ground game/ deer (delete as appropriate) and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing on ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.(The words underlined may be omitted once the certificate holder has demonstrated competence. There is no set time for this and each case should be considered on its individual merits).HOAC’s and HOAC Members can’t use any range unless it has the proper public liability & user insurance through the NRA/NSRA scheme or another ‘approved’ insurer….. otherwise the Club, and the shooter breaches the Condition.Day membership of HOAC’s isn’t allowed, but Visitors with their own FAC can shoot if Clubs with their own ranges allow this. Our club charges non-members £20, with a maximum of 3 visits.Firearms Clause - Zeroing on a range vs Using on a range

Right, My closest ranges state membership available or visitors rates apply. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this for being able to shoot without being a member.

Thanks for the info, My Fac isn't restricted to any particular land and also states zeroing practice on ranges. Is this normal ? I usually just zero on the land I shoot on.

Thanks Mattnall, I'm having a run up my local club today to have a chat and collect some ammo whilst there. I've been reading through the home office good reason guidelines and also the 9th Report of the firearms consultative committee. These guys go into detail on components and parts. Between the both documents I think I've established good reason for everything I require. I'm going to stick my list down on a variation and see how it goes. I already have good reason established for a 243 a 22Lr and a 223 so that should makes things easer going forward. I like the idea of keeping my good reason away from a shooting club if possible so I won't constantly need to be a member of one club or another. I'd like to be able to just turn up at shoots and pay for guest use when I want to target shoot and zero. That's the route I'm going to try to go down. If anyone else uses this method it would be great to know.

Thanks Roy, Currently my firearms are for Vermin and shooting over cleared land. I'm looking to get into more range and club shooting and maybe competition in future. I've had my previous FAC for aver 15 years but have never been interested in competition up until recently. Hence just starting to explore possibilities. I'm popping up to my local shooting club tomorrow too. I may make things easer if I join a shooting club then i a can put down indoor ranges and target shooting as well.

Thanks for the information Roy that's great. I'll stick the paperwork in. I only have a year left to renew my FAC too so I might as well do it all at the same time if they will let me. Is having a spare good reason ? I don't think I will get away with having a 22 upper as I already have a 22LR rifle. I like the idea of the 300 Blackout. If I can get a variation for a spare upper I could go for a long heavy barrel and a short light barrel that would be handy. Thanks again for your help guys.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply Adrian, Just when I thought I new how it all worked then I discovered AR-15's and all the shiny parts to bolt on 😂 Kr, Chris.

Hey Adrian, Thats a perfect answer and exactly what I was asking, be it a little disappointing. On a good note it looks as though I could have multiple hand guards or stock's and grips etc.. I suppose the next question is how would I go about getting an extra lower or upper on the ticket. My reason is there is so many different configurations left hand right hand flat top and so on that it would be nice to have a few options to swap back and forth and to try different set ups. At the moment I've had to justify each rifle and understand how this works. Would because i want different configurations be a good enough reason. Thanks again. Kr, Chris.

This might have already been covered so apologise if it has. I'm currently in the market for a AR-15 rifle. I have a spare 223 slot on my FAC that needs filling. As these rifles are very interchangable with parts I'm interested to know how far you can go with parts before its classes as an extra rifle. For example could you buy a spare upper and lower as long as you stick to the same barrel and bolt. Or even a spare upper and barrel and stick to the same bolt so technically you would never have two complete rifles. Any help or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Kr, Chris.