onehole Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hi Guys,I just had to send this in as I am really impressed with this 10x fixed Viper I have just bought!From the pics you can see that it has absolutley everything,fast focus eyepiece,30mm tube,lockable chunky turrets,side focus,etched illuminated reticule and all adjustemts feel good ie no backlash or slop.Clarity from the fixed 10 mag is very good and is not far behind that of my nightforce at same mag and that is a good standard to judge by.When you consider the cost all this in my opinion is fanatastic value for money.I purchased my scope at an introductory price of £160 posted to my door but not sure what cost may rise to at normal price but shouldn,t be much more I would imagine.I plan to put this scope on the 17hmr initially but I can see it on any rifle really from an air rifle to centrefire.Longer range varminting/target use may require one to consider one of their other offerings however but I would recommend everyone to look at this scope range in the flesh if you get the opportunity.cheers onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogern Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Onehole Hi - of mine needs to buy an varipower scope for his .243 lamping rifle. he wants a 30 mm tube wih a 56 objective, he was moaning about having to pay £500/600 quid for another scope, i told him there were lots of good scopes out there for a lot less. Have u or any other members got any suggestions please. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Onehole Hi - of mine needs to buy an varipower scope for his .243 lamping rifle. he wants a 30 mm tube wih a 56 objective, he was moaning about having to pay £500/600 quid for another scope, i told him there were lots of good scopes out there for a lot less. Have u or any other members got any suggestions please. Thanks There is a viper 6/24/56 I am pretty sure and its a 30mm tube,go check it out.onehole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varminter Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Thanks onehole :lol: could not help yourself eh!!!! Shall look forward to seeing how you get on............ All the best............... RAY.................... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambi-basher Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Onehole Hi - of mine needs to buy an varipower scope for his .243 lamping rifle. he wants a 30 mm tube wih a 56 objective, he was moaning about having to pay £500/600 quid for another scope, i told him there were lots of good scopes out there for a lot less. Have u or any other members got any suggestions please. Thanks Shame he wants a Varipower as one of these 7X56 Meoptas for £222 look great for a lamping scope. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meopta-Meostar-7x56-...VQQcmdZViewItem B-b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Meopta scopes are superb too! glass is as good as it gets I reckon amd I think you can get top of the range4x16R1 for £450 and is a scope that I have been seriously looking at to get away from leupolds and nightforce for a change.cheers onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hi onehole, Could we have a link to the makers website please, thanks. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hi onehole,Could we have a link to the makers website please, thanks. Ian. Try www.mtcoptics.com sorry don,t know how to load this on this site.onehole.hope u can find ok.onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuttyspaniel Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Cheers for sharing this one hole! I am about to change my 308 for a 204 and was looking for a varmiting scope! I think Ive found it cheers. I am looking at the 6x24x56! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 I wouldn't be much of an expert on scopes, but one conclusion i've come to is, if i need a budget scope my entry would be a second hand 8x56 S&B. I recently bought a new 4-14x50 VXIII, put it on my rifle and compared it with my 4-16X50 S&B in the eve. The Leupy went on e-gun the next day. We spent two days on IWA looking through every scope that we could and our verdict was, Leupold is a waste of time (although I once had an old VXIIc 3-9x50 that was OK) Kaps was very dissapointing, Meopta not great, Kahles was OK, Swaro is good, IOR had great glass, S&B was good to very good, the absolute brightest scope we looked through was the 7x50 S&B 30mm it was just in a different class. If I'd need a lightweight scope i think the AV swaro would be good, for every thing else S&B. Rather a 6x42 quality than snazzy trouble. I read a scope test that had rated the Nikon monarchs very high, but I haven't look through one yet.missed that one at the show. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuttyspaniel Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I wouldn't be much of an expert on scopes, butone conclusion i've come to is, if i need a budget scope my entry would be a second hand 8x56 S&B. I here what you are saying but I am looking to purchase a variable high power scope for varmting. At present I have a sawro 8x50 on my 243 and as much as the low light doesnt phase it I hate it and will be selling it on shortly and will replace it with a Meopta 7x50 with a 4b reticle (which I love to bits). On my 308 I have a simmons deerfield 3x9x50 and apart from the 15mins or so I cant see any difference apart from I prefer the reticle (finer wires in the center of the duplex) which I find easier to use! I recently bought a new 4-14x50 VXIII, put it on my rifleand compared it with my 4-16X50 S&B in the eve. The Leupy went on e-gun the next day. We spent two days on IWA looking through every scope that we could and our verdict was, Leupold is a waste of time Ive heard that aswell but I must admit I do fancy 1! After all the scope will be used for lamping and long range crow and bunny bashing in the daylight! I read a scope test that had rated the Nikon monarchs very high I am looking at 1 at the moment and as of yet Im still to decide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 How about the Zeiss Conquest range? Magnification is useless without clarity, isn't it? That's what i also didn't like about the Leupold I had, just couldn't get it cristal clear even on a 100yd target. I do a little day time bunnies but much more evening foxing or stalking so light is important. Mostly the bloody fox comes just as the light goes. For stalking i'm trying the 3-12x50 Zenith with No. 7FD which is very fine and the red dot at 3 mag could help in the forest. I used to have a 8x56 with the No.1 post, what a lump but one could see it at night. My No. 8 Varmint reticule on my 4-16x50 is really nice but does take a bit longer to find at low light. can't have it all edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYB Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I got an IOR 4-14X50 illuminated reticule with 30 mm tube the other week. It was second hand in a gun shop also in there was a S&B it a 4-12X56 I think, it was definately 56 and quite a high mag variable. Anyway I tried them both side by side and I was shocked to fine that I preferred the IOR to the S&B, I have a 6X42 S&B that I really like and was really, really shocked. Anyway suffice to say that I am pleased with the IOR, it has Schott glass the same as Zeiss and I believe that Zeiss are heavily involved in the production. I tried a photo through the scope, it's not good but it is not bad, it gives you an idea. Only the centre dot is illuminated, the house is about 8-9 hundred yards away and the photo was taken through glass patio doors, set on 10X magnification. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogern Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Jayb is that a viper scope, if so what reticule is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYB Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Rogern No it is my IOR, the scope is a 4A illuminated John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
325WSM Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Rogern, See the Valdada site - they go under both names http://www.valdada.com/vn/ior/02f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Valdada/IOR,...Does make good stuff. Glass is good,Turrets/adj'ers track well...very well,very repeatable settings and they are very tough too... For same power glass, same sized tube they run about $300 cheaper than Leupold. Havent had a chance to put one side by side to Leupold ...Yet. My rifles have Leupolds on them,and am very happy with them but as I am hearing more and more about the Valdada I am startin to wonder. 308 Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYB Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well, it was a Leupold that I traded in against this one, it was a VariX II 4-14X40 (I think), and the IOR beats it hands down IMO. I never could get on with that Leupold though, I have a 2-7 rifleman that I prefer to that one, glad to see the back of it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 John think your'e spot on. I also think the harder Leupold tries the worse it gets. The old ones where almost better than the newer scopes. S&B glas improved hugely in last couple of years and a couple others also. I think the americans are wrong with saying 'we only shoot daytime', as good glas is always helpfull especially on overcast or rainy days. What I did for the last two years, was buy used scopes try em, learn and sell em on again for the same price. Cost nothing, learnt a lot. I found e-gun in germany is a good site to pick up second hand scopes. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Compared to the Bashed-Hell (Bushnell)that was on my Win 70 and the other scope I tried the Loopy was a major improvement... The clown that installed the Bash -Hell used too much loctite on the pivoting frt post, so when the coarse adj screws were used on the mount,it bent the scope tube. glass wasnt that good either. In the case of the other scope...Seems like as soon as you go to a 50 mm lens the next step is to install the thickest set of crosshairs made.. all fine and great in low light shooting....but try and punch 5 holes in a quarter at 100 yrds...Ya cant see the quarter to shoot it...I like thin crosshairs....very thin. Lesson learned to use varmint reticle....not Deer reticle I like the Leupolds crosshairs...But Damn,they are expensive. 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYB Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 ejg223, I always get second hand scopes from my local gunshop, Macleods of Tain, very good to deal with, and the description of the scope using the number system, is spot on. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Thanks John, put that into my favourites, I found the UK prices are normally a bit higher new or second hand than in germany. Have a look at www.e-gun.de , mostly in german though. Panther, a couple years ago i was delighted with a leupold i nicked off my father, it was great compared to the scopes i had then. Then i bought a S&B 8x56 wow!, then i got a 8x56 newer generation for a friend 'wower!'. The new zenith i have on my 308 now is a step ahead again. Hell knows what we write about next year. I liked the light weight of the leupold though and it held zero well too. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 S&B used are far and few between....Here. And for the trouble and frustration a bad used scope can give I'll pay the extra bucks and get new. Besides...There's that thing called warranty...Only comes with new ones. 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Panther, when I said my Leupold held zero well, it was only after I sent it in for repair. It seemed inconsitant and I sent it to the Leupold service guy in germany without any invoice or proof of purchase. They fixed a loose lens + sevice, and mailed it back to me in Ireland even paying the postage. They even put my return postage money back into the packet. As long as the thing isn't bent and dented. I think S&B, swaro & kahles would treat us the same. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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