tackb

ordered mine on a Friday lunchtime , had it Saturday morning !

top work dave !

delighted with it's performance as well !

if you are interested in selling just the exterior weights pm me please ? 

understand if you prefer to sell as a package 

I have stalked with both , I think the creed is just about the perfect calibre for uk deer but put big boar into the mix and I'd reach for my 308 

nothing has changed I see , neither me or the tedious same same from here, so i'll leave it unless you want to make me a moderator so I can delete stuff I don't like? 

regarding the range fall out stuff , it's a terrible shame because lord knows we need more not less ranges if our sport is to survive and fingers crossed grow ? I do know the two parties but only one has stolen money from me , but no point going down that road because it just gets deleted true or not, an awful lot of goodwill could be garnered by returning that money of mine like others had theirs returned. 

anyway , really nice to chat with you again BD and since we missed our chance at the 2015 RBL shoot maybe we will run into each other and we can have a good old chat at a PRL event? 

all the best 

this all seems to be getting a little silly now. 

time will tell......

I have my own opinion from personal experience of the partys involved here , I have a gut feeling that the truth will out , maybe not on this forum as it's rather unfairly edited in a bias fashion but ultimately the truth will out...….

58 minutes ago, joshmartin8 said:

As John MH has mentioned there isn’t many cases in the uk you would have to change your firing solution drastically to still achieve an impact. 
I have shot at vallhalla just testing targets and positions and the change was not enough to make a miss if I held low part of plate, 

I have always been a firm believer of use the force (instinct) and apply it to your situation and your firing point. 
I would like some more time at vallhalla to really get first hand experience at advanced angle shooting and really learn more but until then drop a click or two or indeed hold low and use the force you won’t go wrong. 

seeing how well you did last year mate and how badly some of the internet shooters have done i'm inclined towards your method , it's easy to make hits when typing at a keyboard but in reality under pressure during the stage most plans turn to ratsh1t and it's the shooters that can react organically under pressure doing it for real that score well. 

and well done young jedi for some brilliant performances last year ! 

23 hours ago, One on top of two said:

Yet again ... your missing the point ! 
this is about pushing the .22 PRL  , it’s not and never has been about slagging any part of it off and there has been no slagging it off , as you put ! 
its about ALL shooters have the same chance and opportunity to have fun . But some can’t afford The Fullbore PRL for reasons that have already been stated . 
 

you go on about sticking together.... that’s the whole point . 

ok , sure 

it's quite simple to me , rather than moan about how expensive you think it is just go or don't go as it's entirely voluntary ?

the very fact that it repeatedly sells out says a lot about the PRL and the effort tiff has put in.

it's in it's infancy here in the UK and I personally think we as shooters should support it rather than snipe insidiously in the background , even if we can't/won't go what is the point of undermining it? 

re the SIS , I'm afraid due to well documented reasons I'm afraid I and a large proportion of current PRL shooters will not attend until certain irregularities are corrected by the organisers but if that was done then there is many who relish a shooting challenge and would be happy to attend and support all shooting in the UK. 

if you want to shoot the PRL you can just shoot that , the ELR is optional currently , on top of that you can do it on a budget , there is usually camping available or the bunkhouse at tiffs roundhouse venue , and kit wise if you can shoot well and your rifle is capable of 0.75moa you can win , a 0.2moa rifle will help your confidence but won't win PRL matches on it's own.

so to sum up , try and find ways to support the PRL and shoot the newest most challenging and fun series in the UK rather than run it down ?

also looking forward to a 22PRL ! 

9 hours ago, FB66 said:

Just seen this and apologies in advance if it is not helpful

https://www.fcsa.co.uk/news

that seems fair enough to me 

sorry , it's now sold 

1 hour ago, CRUACH said:

tried pm, won't work?

Try again please I’ve emptied my inbox 

1 hour ago, CRUACH said:

tried pm, won't work?

Oh ? 
don’t know what’s up ?

ill check tomorrow and see if my inbox is full ? 

selling my metric zerostop nightforce , boxed , vgc 

0.1 mil clicks 

MLR ret 

£1100 posted in the uk 

can send photos if reqd (I will try to post some as well) 

tactical teddy makes an appearance at 2:10 !

these are awesome ! cant believe it hasn't been snapped up already at that price ?

have a bump 

13 hours ago, jcampbellsmith said:

Some very good points here. PRL seems to be focusing on leading edge competitions and that's fine for folk that can compete at the leading edge, but for folk like me, still a long way back down the learning curve, there doesn't seem to be any less challenging PRL events to get folk started on PRL. 

Regards

JCS

we all jumped in at the deep end last year although many of us have been shooting at the roundhouse for years , ultimately you just need to get your kit and come along , I've seen hunting rifles all the way up to full race guns and AI sniper systems , the scores didn't always reflect the type of kit and that's the beauty of the PRL in my opinion 

7 minutes ago, No i deer said:

Any guestimates on barrel life in a 260 ackley...??

 

running my standard 260 at 2850 with 140amax over N560 it was less than 3000 , I doubt the AI will improve that ?

2680fps with factory 140eld-m from a 20" bartlein , I have just mortgaged some 135 A-tips and will report on my findings once I dust of my reloading gear !

I shoot a 20" creedmoor , I get 2680fps from 140g ELD-M factory ammo , good out to 1000m 

yes i'm still shooting , loving the PRL because it's exactly the challenging type of shooting I enjoy with lots of cool shooters and not many choppers !

I re barrelled my 260 to creedmoor , when it needs another re-barrel I will go creedmoor again , it suits me better than 260 

i'm late to the party but I've only just seen this as I don't frequent ukv much now but my kit - 

rem700 action blueprinted with big knob and 20'' bartlein barrel (best barrel I've ever had) hardy stealth moderator all pillar bedded into a PSE composites tac stock , i'm running aics mags but have had it modded for the double stack mags (ai) but i'm not happy it will feed reliably under pressure whereas the aics are boringly reliable! 

I use the 6.5 creedmoor and factory 140 eld-m ammo 

I did 'ok' I feel I let my kit down not the other way round and I have brought some bags as I found them very useful ?

i also use this rifle as my primary stalking rifle.

next year i am hoping to have a dedicated PRL rifle , likely an MDT chassis and bartlein barrel running aics mags in 6.5 creedmoor with a brake as they seem popular and it's pointless me being the only one with manners! 

general closer positional stuff i'm confident with but my wind calls at longer range are dubious so that's where i'm going to focus my practice , as a side note i have lost weight and i'm working on my fitness for next year as well.

as for pricing , i'm happy enough as i recognise it's not a cheap sport , i will not comment further as i have an iron in the fire regarding stolen funds.

I have a 300rum which I built to replace a 338 lapua when they were banned on gallery ranges , I am achieving 3260fps with the 208 amax , I shot alongside JMH at the roundhouse ELR and have to say his rifle was a hammer! and although he wasn't getting my velocity those 225 eld-m's he was using really seemed to carry their energy better !

I would likely go 30nm when I change my 300rum , and having had a 338lapua whilst it is a good round I wouldn't go back for ELR use , in fact I would likely go big 7mm for ELR and manage without the recoil etc 

4 minutes ago, Cheetor said:

Not quite sure what you guys are trying to achieve here, Lapua, stirring the mud with a spoon I suspect, again?

The time, effort and cost by Tiff to start this series has been massive. There were always going to be problems to start with, the biggest being the whingers and whiners who would not be happy regardless of what was provided.

Tiff has provided events that have been attended by many shooters and thay have returned time and time again, so something must be right. This has also been done by Sapper811 at Diggle and shows that it can be done if you are willing to put the effort in.

If you feel so strongly about how something should be run and what format it should take then why have you not got up off your arses and done something?

If you don't like the idea, then don't show up, do your own thing and see how many turn up. 

I was happy to turn up and did to a number of prl events , I lost money at the Gardner’s event because I paid up front then after it was cancelled at there venue they refused to refund me although they did refund others 

bad form and detrimental to shooting in general , very short sighted !

14 hours ago, srvet said:

Whilst I have only done 2 comps this year they were both an absolute hoot! 

Thinking what would be best for the PRL as an ongoing uk venture would be to bury the hatchet regarding disagreements over the past year and host the comps on as many ranges in the country as possible. This may obviously require some degree of compromise to occur. Failing to do this will inevitably fragment what is already a minority sport to everyone’s detriment as competing organisations will spring up as in the USA. This may however inject market forces with regard to entrance fees. One way or another this will succeed or fail based on numbers of participants so breaking down barriers of cost, distance and time commitment  would be good starting points  

With regard to competition format I would echo the separation of the PRL and the ELR as they are very different and both niche. Perhaps one day comps would be more accessible and the same comp could be run on two consecutive days as many clay shoots are. 

Some other suggestion would be to incorporate some long barrel 22 LR pistol and close range 22 semi auto stages for shits and giggles. These may need guns/ammo to be provided but sponsors may be prepared to help 

 

The only possible way I will bury the hatchet with Gardner’s is if they refund the money they have stolen from me 

the op of this thread was refunded as we’re others but there is a number who for reasons known only to Gardner’s will not be refunded , there is a lot of support for a boycott of Gardner’s over this yet it is such a simple fix by Gardner’s so if detriment to the sport of shooting is to be layed at anyone’s door it is Gardner’s.

they and they alone can fix this. 

you'll be fine to shoot your kit , the important thing is to come along and have a go !

it REALLY helps if you have a sense of humour !