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16 hours ago, jimbob123 said:

Good advice, thanks. Yes I'll have a go at 300 as soon as the weather improves; need to get to my "sheltered and flat field" before it becomes a pea crop

This may sound odd, but should te 100 yards be from the muzzle or the action? with a barrel measuring 20" it might be important

 

 

Jim

Sorry,  technically the muzzle but a few feet either way will make negligible difference , yards will however . Once you've got to grips with StrelokPro and your new rifle combo , you'll be knocking rabbits and crows over at some surprising distances .

 If you're shooting over arable land , go and have some fun before the crops are too tall .😉

 👍👍

No doubt , you'll be looking at reloading soon . Buy a good manual and get book smart first .

 Happy days . 

 Make sure you measure accurately when entering into StrelokPro,  if your using 100 yard zero it has to be 100 yards . If you can get out to 300 and validate the velocity it'll be better. 

Most importantly,  have fun 👍 

 Whatever you decide on,  don’t throw your brass . If you decide to reload further down the road you'll already have fire formed brass , if you choose to stay using factory then selling it will go toward buying more ammo .

Good call on a .223 , great choice . Before you go buy , you need to at least handle a rifle and see what suits you . A heavy barrels only real advantage in 223 will be how long it takes to heat up , it's a light recoiling round . If you're carrying it around along with other gear it might be too much , a scope and mod' will soon ramp the weight up . Don't rush your decision , easier to walk away than change your mind once it's on your f.a.c .

 There's a stunning T3 semi- custom for sale on SD but it would require screw cutting for a mod". I've no connection with the seller. 

 Is this still available , would you be kind enough to put up more details? 

 Model , barrel length, shot count 

 Sold , thanks for looking ..

 Bought this for my daughter to try informal F-TR , unfortunately she prefers my foxing setup. 

 BSA CFT in 223 , 26 inch Krieger 1 in 7 twist barrel . Unknown shot count , I know nothing of its history. The picatinny rail may be sold separately, it's a Ruson to fit a CZ550 Magnum action. The buyer of the rifle will have 1st refusal. 

 Rifle - £150

 Picatinny rail - £40

Scarborough area 

13 hours ago, Pauleynon said:

Is this still available please ?

 Sold , pending the usual. 

 £280 posted , final price edit . 

 Excellent rangefinder in Excellent condition . 

 Apologies to those who have seen the other advert,  the price should be -£310 posted , ono .

 Cheers 

 Excellent condition , boxed .££325 ONO posted

advertised elsewhere. 

cheers 

16 hours ago, nCognitos said:

My daughter started when she was 14 the minimum Bisley age, she is 15 now and quite slight in build.  She shoots about twice a month at gallery, 100yds, 200yds, 300yds and 300 McQueens with a .223 and factory 55gr Magtech ammunition.  As well as shooting with the club, of which she is a probationary member, I have booked a half-day electronic target through the club so we could go down with a picnic and shoot but she much prefers the club atmosphere with all the people milling around, despite the fact she has her head buried in her phone, she enjoys the company.  When its just the two of us, I think she feels obliged to make conversation, in a group, there is always someone else for me to talk to!  She has particularly taken to the McQueens, having shot it twice and wants to do more.  Up to now, we have focussed on safety, as far as the shooting goes it's point at the middle and pull the trigger.  As she is getting more comfortable I have started introducing the fundamentals of marksmanship, though we are only up to position and breathing.  We pay our £5 every trip to Bisley and spend 20 minutes on the zero range working on MOA adjustments, she cleans her own gun and has just reloaded her first batch of 100 rounds of 69gr, under supervision.  The only bit I didn't let her do is the case cleaning as I don't want her exposed to all that yuck just yet, everything else she did.

I found a pre-loved Howa 1500, 1 in 9 twist barrel in a GRS Berserk stock with moderator at a very reasonable price (£550), the scope on top is an Athlon Argos BTR Gen 2 6-24 x 50 and it works just fine, though it's not my favourite value scope. 

We tried it out to 600yds and while she was hitting the right spot, (we checked by firing into the sand), the electronic target was only registering occasional shots, the NRA chap said this was because of the light heads, they register just fine on targets up to 300yds.  We have some 69gr heads loaded to try at 600yds on Saturday, my friend with the same rifle uses 75gr heads beyond 600yds but I think that would be the very limit for this rifle.

She has just chosen a Bergara 6.5 CM for use at 600yds and beyond, which I picked up on Friday, at the moment it has a Hawke 6-32 x 56 Sidewinder on it, but because of her build, she wants to shoot with the .223 as much as possible, she can shoot that all day, with the larger calibres she has to put on a shoulder pad and she wants to stop after 2 x 10 round details.  So far, she has used .223, .308, .22, .357, .44, Saturday will be her first go with the 6.5 CM.  I'm glad that she joined the club, as well as the structured probationary and zeroing course, it's a requirement that she shoots gallery, standing, prone, bench 100yds, 300yds, 300 McQueens and 600yds and of course, she gets to try all the club guns.  Her probationary class have all passed through, I'm stretching out her time to finish with the next class so she gets more trigger time and more practice.

Oddly enough, I gave up hunting and stalking when she was born, now she wants to stalk.  I'm arranging for her to accompany a local stalker, if she can cope with the gore, then the .223 might get traded up to a .243.  I took her along to a Target-F/TR club I was thinking of joining but she wasn't that impressed, I think her future is probably towards Civilian Service Rifle and the semi-auto gallery competitions, but the important thing to let her have a go at everything and then decide.  My own interests are long range rimfire and historic service rifle, I also hope to get back into target rifle, so we don't overlap, she has no interest in even shouldering a .303 or 7.5.

As you can tell, these are both very budget scopes, I will have to report back on the Hawkes performance on the 6.5 CM but I have an even cheaper Hawke Vantage on my 7.5x 55 and it has stood up to hundreds of rounds without issue.  I used the Athlon for load development on my .303 and it didn't have any problems with that.  I save my good glass for long distance rimfire, where I need 100MOA+ of adjustment, so the scopes she is using are my cast offs.

If she develops her strength and takes to the 6.5, then I will look at better glass in due course.  I have my eye on an IoR myself so she may well get another cast off, (Delta Stryker 5-50).

Anyway, if you have something lying around use that, the Sightron will be fine, otherwise there are a lot of mid-range scopes with good enough glass, and with little or no CA, assuming you are not shooting at dawn or dusk.  In order of recommendation from worst to best of the cheaper £300 - £1,500 scopes I have used, last is Athlon, then Discovery, Hawke, Vortex and top of the pile Delta.  The Delta is extraordinarily good value, I have a fixed mag Zeiss and the Delta is the match of it.  I would definitely make it variable to at least x20 and FFP removes a complication, though my daughter eventually got her head around SFP.

Good luck, my girl and I have always got on but having a shared hobby has brought us closer, which is really important at that age when the tendency is to drift apart.  Photo 1 is her at 100yds with a club .223, photo 2 is a .44 lever on gallery, note the extra padding required for the .44!

 

 Fantastic stuff, my daughter's interest came about as she's started Duke of Edinburgh and wanted a skill.  She initially wanted to do clay shooting but changed her mind when I suggested joining a local rifle club together . She's not one to go with the crowd. 

 She's presently shooting my foxing rig and doing very well in a short space of time . Little by little. 

 So now we're looking at putting together a rig for her , a friend sourced a BSA CFT with a Krieger 26" barrel ,olden and golden , which is on hold with an RFD . My FAC is due back with a variation this week.. I've  also found a picatinny rail that should fit the  dovetails on the rifle .

 Thanks to the advice received on the forum , choosing a scope has been made easy and by chance a nice , second hand Sightron will soon be on its way at a very reasonable price. Just a bipod to source and she's ready to go .

 Of course,  I'm not expecting any "thanks" , that would involve speaking . Perhaps she'll text me from her bedroom or possibly a message on WhatsApp . Who knows?  I do know that when she reaches 18 and goes to University her mother and I will miss those two dozen words a week she shares , the silence will be deafening . 🤣

  Joking apart , we're having a great time . I just would like to see some other youngsters at the club .

 Cheers and thanks everyone. 

Laurie,  Triffid, thankyou.  

 Reassuring,  thankyou.  My daughter is quite comfortable using the Sightron out to 300 . She does seem to like it wound up though . 

2 hours ago, Triffid said:

Watch how much elevation each scope provides. The Falcon X50 only has 50MoA, which will certainly mean you'll need a 20MoA rail or rings, and probably mean using the reticle to aim-off at longer distances. If you can get the Berger 80gr VLD up to 2700 fps, you'll need about 40MoA adjustment in the scope to get them on target 1000X, which means a scope with at least 80MoA if you're mounting it flat. The Sightron S3's have 70MoA. 

If it's useful, I've attached a spreadsheet I developed to compare the specs of many decent scopes I was looking at last year.

Triffid

Glass.xlsx 23.25 kB · 1 download

 Thankyou and well spotted , I hadn't noticed the difference in available adjustment . 

I've also had a look at your spreadsheet and the Sightron is looking quite favourable.  If needed I can always buy a 20 MOA mount at a later date . 

 For the time being she'll be shooting 300 at the club and progressing to 600 at a nearby facility. 

11 hours ago, Kipper said:

I also agree, don't waste cash on a 223. I got my 12yr old son a 223 last year and he's already shooting my 308.

Sightron are awesome, I sold my NF comp to fund a S3 and other parts and don't miss my NF except the reticle.

 Fantastic to see youngsters getting into shooting . 

 I'll be sticking with the . 223 , frankly it was a bargain and if my daughter sticks at it , I'll look to step up then . Big plus is the fact that I already have 200 lapua cases and the rifle comes with 400 bullets . Since I already possess appropriate powder and primers a little reloading and load development , we're on our way .

 The big issue is an appropriate,  budget friendly scope .

Considering, second hand Sightron Siii 10-50 power or what appears to be a rebounded Sightron, Falcon ? 

Am I in the right ball park ? 

 FT

30 minutes ago, Deserttech Europe said:

HI, that's fantastic news that your daughter is enjoying the sport. A friend of ours is just back from the South African open where his 13 year old daughter took gold in a stage beating everybody, we are all super proud of her.

I don't want to piss on your chips, but don't want you wasting money either. A .223 can be competitive but it needs a very fast twist barrel, the correct throat and carefully loaded ammo. In addition you mention a "target" rifle, if this is a TR style rifle (shot from a sling) then it may not be suitable to take either the scope or the bipod, I would just check on these first.

Other than that I wish her all the best and look forward to seeing her on the point.

 

p.s do you make it to Bisley to shoot, if so let us know and we can try and organise for some other youngsters to be about in order to make her feel as welcome as possible.

 

Ewen

 Thanks , the rifle requires a picatinny rail which I have sourced and has a 26" , 1 in 7.5 krieger barrel with an Anschutz rail fitted  . Apparently , it shoots 80grain vld very well . I'll be handloading so no problem there as I already have the components . 

 Bisley seems way off at the moment, but who knows. 

 Cheers 

 As per the title.  My 14 year old daughter is showing some real ability and as such I'd like to support her in this . A friend has found a 223 target rifle and we are waiting for my FAC with variation to return . 

 Since I'm not a target shooter , I'm seeking advice as to what to look for , what to avoid , suitable mag' range and so on . I have a Sightron Siii 6-24x50 I can press into action and the possibility of a second hand NF NXS 8-32 . In real terms we're probably looking at good second hand . She's likely to be shooting out to 600 yards .

 Thanks in advance. 

 Arrived safely and have run a batch of old brass through it . Spot on .

 Cheers Leeroy, you are a gent .

Bit cheeky I know, if you'll take £200 posted ,  I'dd like to buy it .

FT

 Would it be possible to correct misaligned holes using this method ?

On 12/14/2020 at 4:52 PM, gunner said:

Nice mini mauser action, i though my 527 was a bargain 220 : (  what make is the rail ?  id prefer this to say a factory tikka t3 . Nice looking rifle . simon6ppc on tube uses the tmk in his 223 sako with great affect. Think he's the same guy on here with same name . Good luck with development i hope its a tack driver. 

 The rail is a Britannia , 10 moa . ( Off the top of my head about £85)

Looking forward to the load development , I've an OBS follower coming in case the TMKs need to be closer to the lands than max mag length will allow . All good fun .

 I'll check out the tube. 

 Cheers