That bald headed Geordie

If only politicians were more like Phil, straight talking, lots of commonsense, no talking cobblers, tree hugging or wokespeak, then Britain would be a better place in my opinion.

RIP Shippers

So has someone at the Monastery been telling porkie pies then and exaggerating the noise levels,  after reading it I draw my own conclusions.   Hope things go smoothly and the range gets the planning permission.

Done

I'm bleeding tempted as this could be a family heirloom t shirt and a historically important date that will go down in infamy!

Don't call me I'll call you ok.

Cheers

6 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

 

Cheers Bonny Lad for the info which is very helpful.

Just looking at various types of adjustable scope mounts as I will only be able to get out to 1200 yards using my existing set up.

Might have found one from Oz which looks ok to get me out to at least Durham lol.

Les

15 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

my mate's underselling it - Eskdalemuir is bloomin'  fantastic !!

Would you care to elaborate!

A few basic questions for you.

Does the firing point/points have benches or is it all lying down.  

Once you get set up can you see all of the targets and fire from one point only.  

Can you see bullet splash on all longer range targets mantlet areas if you are off slightly.

Cheers

Just after a shooters perspective/comments on the Eskdalemuir range run by Gardner Guns in Carlisle.

I usually shoot at Diggle (benchrest/f class/fun shoots) and just fancy a try at longer ranges (when things get back to normal) than 1000yds with my .284 Win f class rifle for a bit of fun,  and just after some info.    Any comments appreciated.

Cheers

Yes you're mad but it sounds like fun.

I would like to include 6BRA onto the list.   I think that the actor would be Arnold Schwarzenegger.  

But in reality it would be Barbra Windsor.

5 hours ago, Silvermachine said:

Would a counter balance on the right hand side not  help ?

As my heavy gun weighs around 46lbs and the calibre is 6BRA I don't think it has a torque problem.  So a counter balance wouldn't be effective. But appreciated your comment Silvermachine.  

Cheers. Les

1 hour ago, The Gun Pimp said:

I think it's brilliant if it works and with a low recoiling rifle it shouldn't be an issue.  Hopefully we'll find out on the 9th August.

Hi Vince,

I might use the extentions and use my left eye but might bond them to remove any minute movements as opposed to shooting left handed. 

Not sure yet if I will make it to the first 600yd shoot.

See you.  Les

1 hour ago, dorg said:

What got Joe West Riflestocks started was the same problem. I had a good friend who had a stroke in his right eye. We made him a stock with the coomb cut out very low so when you put your cheek on the stock which was right handed, your left eye comes in line with the scope. My mate shot the rifle for several years. This stock fits a 3 action Sako 75, its laminate. You are welcome to it if you have access to a Sako and what to try it. I think its in the heap in the corner.

Cheers Dorg for the info and a cut out on the comb was suggested by Des Parr.  Unfortunately due to the design of the rifle/comb that is not possible as it is made up of 3 pieces of aluminium.   The uppermost running the length of the rifle and is the main supporting piece and cannot be cut into.  The comb is made up of 2 more pieces bolted underneath the main supporting piece.

As for using the Sako stock that is very good of you but the action is a Tikka and is on a very heavy gun coming in at 46lbs approx.  

Thanks,  Les

3 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

my thoughts are that it will need to be clamped up good and solid as there's a lot of opportunity to get out of alignment.  If it were me I'd ensure my scope was optically centred and then bore sight with the offset of the scope maintained ie, put two marks to sight too, the same distance apart as the scope left offset. One mark for the scope cross hair and one mark for the barrel sighting. I'd then play around with the fittings to get the best sighting without touching the scope windage to ensure the best mechanical alignment. That way you know the scopes pretty much solid and all the adjustment on the windage will be predictable.

Hope that makes sense.

Best of luck

Thanks for your comments and although I tightened up the components I was/am concerned about scope alignment and the scope 'bending'.

I have used the rifle scope as per the photo in a tunnel range and it seems ok, but there might be a better mousetrap to eliminate any possible negative issues.    I don't like the idea of shooting left handed really but maybe as Dellboy suggested bond the bits together and have a quick release setup on the Picatinny rail on the rifle!

Cheers,  Les

Over the past 4 months I have a vision problem in my right eye (mentioned on a previous post).

After getting a few replies I decided to continue shooting right handed but using my left eye and after purchasing a few items to get the scope up and left this is the set up. 

It looks Heath Robinson and works but I wonder if it would be detrimental to accuracy/rifle set up etc. 

A mate of mine described it as 'abortion' so feel free to say what you think, good or bad.

I could just put the scope back in the normal position and shoot left handed.

Cheers.

Cannot give you a definitive answer but mine lasts long enough for me during a competition.

Will have it cooling the barrel for about 5 - 6 minutes about 3 times and mine keeps on going as long as I give it a full charge until the green light comes on.

Cannot speak for the battery operated ones,  but being realistic you shouldn't have any problems.

As they are cheap as chips,  get the type you want and test it out to see how long yours lasts.

44 minutes ago, Jeffo1960 said:

have you got a link for the pump thanks

I don't have a link as I bought mine at Go Outdoors and mine has no batteries but I recharge it from my laptop using a provided USB connecting wire.   They do have others which have 4 x large torch batteries.    Just go on their website and have a look.

6 minutes ago, Jeffo1960 said:

Thinking of buying 1 of the above or perhaps making one as thinking it will cut 

down time doing load development,any advice would be apprciated ,thanks in advance

Buy a battery/rechargeable pump (for airbeds etc) attach a bit of plastic tubing to suit and I used an old brass case with the headstamp cut off as in the photo.    Depending on the calibre/chamber just use the appropriate brass case to suit and swap them over if necessary.

I have used it in competition between matches when it is hot (plus I shoot 5 shots very quickly) so the barrel gets pretty warm.   It works and cools the barrel down very well.    I also attach a stick on temperature strip on the barrel a few inches in front of the action.  

Cheaper than buying a more expensive one and mine works.

5 minutes ago, Dellboy said:

keep us imformed please   couple of our club members have similar problems

Even if it works for me using my non dominant left eye,  it doesn't mean it will work for everyone,  but it will give me/them a better sight picture. 

I guess the more I use my left eye I should get used to it eventually.

All I can suggest is that they get the correct type of offset mount (mine is good for Picatinny and Weaver rail) to suit whatever is on their rifle and try it.

If I need to move the scope over to the left a little then a local gunsmith to me has offered a possible solution that might make it easier.  

The Chinese offset mounts arrived this morning and put them on my rifle.

Will try them out sometime but could have done with them being a little longer and further out to the left as I still have to tilt my head to the right which is not perfect.

I did give them a dip in Domestos as they came from China with a Wuhan stamp on them.

Quality seems pretty good and better than expected.

3 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

It's also important to ensure that an offset scope is accurately measured for hight above the barrel centre line too so as to not introduce a zero angle error.

By the way, I noticed that "Shooter" app allows the user to enter scope horizontal offset as well as height.  Potentially useful for @That bald headed Geordie

Hi,  just checked Shooter app on my phone and yes it gives me the option to enter my zero height and zero offset,  so will do some checks once I get my offset mounts and get some zeroing done.

Cheers

BHG.

6 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

best of luck mate, always happy to help if I can

Cheques in the post lol

4 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

Hi Les

It will depend on the offset of the scope's centre line from the centre line of the bore.

For the moment, if we assume the scope is 2" left and we set the scope to hit a point exactly 2" left of the centre of the aiming point (the dead centre of the target); then that will prove the scope is parallel to the bore - that's our starting point so we need to record the turret windage setting.  Next adjust the scope from that setting so the POI is dead centre - that's a 100yd zero.  Record the windage setting.  That's the angle required for convergence at 100yds.   It should be close to "Right  2 moa".  This is the maximum you will need as all distances further away will require less angle to compensate for the 2" offset

So, if you were setting the scope parallel to the bore it would still be 2" offset at 1000yds but now we only need to adjust the smaller angle of 2" @ 1000yds which is only 1/5th of an moa.  At 800 yds it will be 1/4 moa - 1 click on most moa scopes.  This is what I think Ronin was suggesting.

You will have no problem at all, just dial in the small offset, make that your 'mental zero' and adjust any required windage settings from there (all offsets are Right Windage for a left offset scope).

• 100 = 2moa
• 200 = 1 moa
• 300 = 2/3 moa
• 400 = 1/2 moa
• 500 = 2/5 moa
• 600 = 1/3 moa
• 700 = 2/7 moa
• 800 = 1/4 moa
• 900 = 2/9 moa
• 1000 = 1/5 moa

Cheers bonny lad for that information,  very useful and even a Geordie can make sense of that lol.

Once I get the Chinese knock off offset mounts I will see how much the scope centreline is to the left of the bore centreline and take it from there.

Les

57 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

If the scope is offset to the left of the rifle by, say,  2" and adjusted to 'zero' at 100yds won't POI be 2" to the right at 200yds, 4" at 300 etc?

If 'zeroed' at 600 then at 1000 POI would be 1.5" right

Would it not be better to just allow a 2" offset aiming point and then set up the scope parallel to the rifle bore.  Always 2" left at all distances.

Of course, knowing the increasing offset with distance you could just allow for that in the windage.  A dope chart would be useful (I would be happy to oblige if my geometry is upto it!)

Thanks for the info and when I get the offset mounts from 'Corona-land' will disinfect them first and mount them to see how far left the centreline of the scope is in relation to the bores centreline.

Hopefully a local indoor range might be opening soon (ish) subject to confirmation and will do a 100yd zero and see how much left / right windage I have available.  

After your kind offer then if I zero at 100 yards and it impacts exactly at the point of aim,  then how far would my bullet impact right at 1000 yards?   If it is only a few minutes worth then that is nothing to worry about as my scope has 40 minutes worth of windage and is pretty much already in the middle of the range in a non wind situation.

The plot (like my gravy) thickens!!!

Cheers,

Les

4 hours ago, baldie said:

Sorry to hear of your problem Les.

I've just put an AK47 together for myself, and one of the first things I tried was a side mounted Dragunov scope, which isn't in line with the bore.

Apart from the total lack of cheek weld, it works perfectly, at 100 yards anyway.

There will be some left/right movement I would think, at greater ranges, but any modern scope will have ample adjustment .

Thanks Baldie for your comment in the last paragraph which reflects other shooters comments from in the States.   So as long as I have enough windage on my scope to get poa/poi converging I will be good to go.

ATB

Les

2 hours ago, Dellboy said:

THIS MAY BE A CHEAP WAY TO TEST THE THEORY

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dophee-Tactical-Degree-Adapter-Hunting/dp/B01D2GTQXK

Cheers Dellboy,  just had a look and yes they are cheap Chinese offerings but have ordered 2 a few moments ago and will test the theory of the scope being to one side.  After reading various replies on here and also on 6BR it seems that most shooters say that it didn't seem to make much difference referring to divergence of point of aim and point of impact as the scopes windage should take care of that.   

So thanks to all that have given me their views and solutions which is much appreciated.

Les 

Think that this could be a solution so will check the web for any supplier and give it a go.

Cheers for replies.

Les