martin_b Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 Guys, what causes fliers you're sure arn't all your fault. Options as I see it are.. Warn barrel, ( .223 and its nearly fifity years old) Less than premium reloading compnents.. Im happy the powder weigth is consistant but cant vouch for the rest of the components Act of god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, martin_b said: Guys, what causes fliers you're sure arn't all your fault. Options as I see it are.. Warn barrel, ( .223 and its nearly fifity years old) Less than premium reloading compnents.. Im happy the powder weigth is consistant but cant vouch for the rest of the components Act of god. I think you may have answered your own question. "less than premium components". It was either going faster/slower or wobbled in flight different to the average. Did it have a 'windage' component or just an elevation deviation? Statistical outlier from an otherwise acceptable average of less than optimum ammo? Gravitational waves from a binary black-hole? 😉 Any except an act of god - that's metaphysical and not consistent with physics and ballistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, martin_b said: Warn barrel, ( .223 and its nearly fifity years old) A barrel 50yrs old is going to raise some suspicion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 How many "fliers" in a group of how many? If it just the very odd one it might be operator error. Please accept I am not trying to be either offensive or a smart@rse. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy W Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 shooter error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted August 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Kalahari said: How many "fliers" in a group of how many? If it just the very odd one it might be operator error. Please accept I am not trying to be either offensive or a smart@rse. David. No offense taken. e Yesterday at 300Y on the electronics at Bisley in a set of 10 shots I'd get 8 or 9 within the 5 ring but one or two out in 3's or further, ( and scattered not just vertical stringing). The reason I dont think its me was I was using a Dolphin trakker bipod and a rear bag so a pretty stable base. When I pull shots with my other rifles generally I know Ive done it and they dont go that far off point of aim. Other people have experienced the same issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, martin_b said: No offense taken. e Yesterday at 300Y on the electronics at Bisley in a set of 10 shots I'd get 8 or 9 within the 5 ring but one or two out in 3's or further, ( and scattered not just vertical stringing). The reason I dont think its me was I was using a Dolphin trakker bipod and a rear bag so a pretty stable base. When I pull shots with my other rifles generally I know Ive done it and they dont go that far off point of aim. Other people have experienced the same issue. In my experience when a barrel starts to show signs of coming to the end of its accurate life it behaves as you describe. The more you continue to shoot it the higher the percentage of flyers become. If it was just generally random then you could look at the components or the shooter but from what you describe it sounds more like the barrel to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 As I said earlier, the fact your barrel is 50yrs old might have something to do with it. If you did a 100yd load development on the rifle with quality components and the barrel is on its way out then it will show the same traits as you describe at 300yds. Its a quick and easy way to establish where you are at. I recently rebarreled an FClass rifle for a competent shooter who wins a lot. He came to me with a barrel he had fitted elsewhere that would consistently throw a couple of flyers in a 20 shot string under conditions that he would normally be holding the 10 ring and he wasted a year persevering with it, he had other rifles to use as well but every time he came back to that gun it would let him down in the way you describe. In the end he gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSG Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I had similar on the electronic a few weeks ago. 3 different types of ammunition, two factory and my reloads. I half suspect occasionally it is me but you cannot see the holes in the paper so it could be erratic sensors…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted August 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I’ve had a cursory look at the barrel with an endoscope, but Ill get someone who knows what they are doing to take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I was ammo testing this morning with an f class rig.. It was miraging which is a pain as the target appears to be moving.. I watched myself pull a couple shots snatching at the trigger.. 7mm saum 184gr hybrids 5 shots Driver error I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1000 yards Neil ? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 No unfortunately.. Annoying innit that one shot out the group. That was the first shot of the second group 🤣. I've had a few like that over the last 3 weekends grrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 My saum again. 4 shot group. Different bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Still not too shabby mate. I’d take it …… well the second one 😁😁 I did similar. Mik re barrelled my .223 with a 1-7 Bartieln. A couple of weeks ago. He asked me to let him know if it’s a shooter. After I zeroed I only had one target left that had been kicking about in the back the truck for weeks. first shot I was caught out by new trigger haha next beautiful. Still sent to Mik. I won’t repeat his response 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I've not got around to getting a 223.. it looks like a shooter... Not bad for Mik 😅. He screwed on a new to me second hand 6.4x47 barrel I bought from rangerunner on ukv.. The throating is a little shorter than my previous one but it shoots 140gr amaxs and 140gr hybrids like a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I like the .223 it’s a nice walk about /tractor gun , quiets down nice which is handy around my sheep and horses . Mik throated mine for 80 grain Amax . anyway I’m going to shut up because I’m hijacking . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABOOM Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is a good cleaning all copper removed and see how that works. IMO the causes mentioned above are on the money and it can be all of them lets hope its easy to figure out.☠️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Is it doing the same thing with factory ammo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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