brown dog Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzarM1 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Discriminates against lefties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmidtP3 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Geez... still looks like a 70s arms race runner up... 🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmidtP3 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 hours ago, saddler said: NOPE spiral staircasers at Enfield stole the design from Sterling! .....there can be only one.... 20-rd & 40-rd magazines direct piston design can be fired with stock closed ....the rifle Stoner designed to get around the faults of his AR-15 Yep, that's a beauty. You can see the similarities when you see the internals - cut 'n paste job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 ...so a slightly cynical recap, the Army wanted (or had inflicted on them?) the need for a new rifle in 5.56. Had to be British so we designed the Mk.1 SA80 that did not work very well, so we employed the Germans (H&K) to fix it for more than the cost of buying all new Diemaco's that worked? Your tax ££ working for you? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Strangelove Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 15 hours ago, gazzarM1 said: Discriminates against lefties... The lefty SA80A1 caused me to do a double take when I saw it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmidtP3 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, terryh said: ...so a slightly cynical recap, the Army wanted (or had inflicted on them?) the need for a new rifle in 5.56. Had to be British so we designed the Mk.1 SA80 that did not work very well, so we employed the Germans (H&K) to fix it for more than the cost of buying all new Diemaco's that worked? Your tax ££ working for you? 😉 There's a little more to the H&K connection. BAE owned H&K between 1999-2002, so work was done by H&K for Enfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 9 hours ago, SchmidtP3 said: Yep, that's a beauty. You can see the similarities when you see the internals - cut 'n paste job. Absolutely - when stripped, the internals look almost interchangeable - first AR180 I had a chance to take apart was ex-IRA (I can’t find a sandbag emoji!) - they had better procurement than us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simgre Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 At the time of its availability the AR18/180 was regarded as the "poor mans M16".... now all the Tacticool Beardsters want a Stoner locking, short stroke piston model.... It does seem that we have reached the end of Firearms design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 18 hours ago, SchmidtP3 said: There's a little more to the H&K connection. BAE owned H&K between 1999-2002, so work was done by H&K for Enfield. Thank you for info, but to me H&K will be forever............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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