ChrisF Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 SO whats the story with these , seem so similar , that one will replace the other , like VHS / Beta ? , so which is going to be the ONE , I know the AXSR is USA only , and the AX MKIII is the rest of the World ? Anyone have info on this ? Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymark Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 Chris, both are in production depending on where you live. Obviously as you said the ASR was made for the US market / solicitation. So if you live in the US you will get an ASR, if you live in the U.K. or Europe you will get an AX Mk.III. So won’t be a case of which one will win. Differences seen below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Yeah , Still confused , as in the AI brochure 2020 , it shows a " AX MKIII " , with what looks like a 2 posn ASR/AXSR ambi safety , then in writing says " 3 posn safety " , and its doesn't mean if not in the USA , I will get the MKIII , I could always import one from the USA . Its as clear as MUd , to me right now . Whats in the brochure I like , just unsure what I will get once ordered ? Things , I donot want , a stupid weak , non-flush MLok handguard , let the Yanks have that . Also donot want a small muzzle thread interface , on a magnum cal gun , the yanks can have the silly small 5/8 dia . 5/8 is OK on smaller dia barrels and non magnum cals as far as I am concerned . RE the trigger , donot know enough about either the Comp or STD trigger to know whats best for field use ? In reguards the bolt 3posn or the stock 2posn ambi , donot know whats Best , I have heard that the rifle cycles smoother on the stock 2posn safety for some reason . Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds1 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Chris, I think the two position safety is AR style and 3 position on the bolt ( traditional AI). I don’t want to be an early adopter of a non-bonded action ( can argue until the cows come home about the perceived advantages / disadvantages of that) but bedding and glue-ins have been the way forward for benchrest. If you don’t want M-Lock, you may be better served with an Arca alloy forend ( ones here are made from 7075 alloy - fit AX also) and AR 15 grip module on an AXMC for less cash. I did this but then again I already had an AXMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Hi , I have a couple of AIs , AW 308 , and a AX338 , I have a AT & AX308 coming already , COVID delay , Like the look of the AXSR/AX MKIII , just trying to get a better handle on the specs of each , as I can get either a MKIII or AXSR , the photo in AI 2020 brochure shows a 2posn safety , But the words say 3posn safety , in short the photo does not match the description ? Thanks for the AX rail info . The non-bedded aspect , maybe or maybe not , seemed important when AI did IT , But they have said they have never bedded the 50 BMGs ? , so may not be as important or similar to benchrest round bottoms , as AI use square bottom and more bolts , 4 over just 2 ?, more bolts , more square precise bottom matting surfaces , may right in no real need ? I am more concerned over the bolt & receiver being totally changed over the AX338/AXMC , the receiver has been substanically lightened & the bolt is changed ? , I hope this has no negative impact on the smooth cycling ? , as the AX338 has been a super smooth rifle in 338LM , and I presume so has the AXMC . Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just read the brochure again , it says 3posn side safety , so maybe the photo is right , I thought ONLY 2 types , 3posn bolt & 2posn side safety , looks like a 3rd type , 3posn side safety ? Confused maybe , not confused on what colour I want , DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymark Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just out of interest Chris, not that you can own too many AI’s!? What’s peeked your interest in the AX.mkiii when you already have an AXMC? As mentioned above, you could get a new rail, AR pistol grip conversion, perhaps a few of the new .308 conversion mags and hey presto! A lot of cash saved! However if you’ve got the cash, and just adding to the collection. My cap is doffed! Fair play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHPP Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 This is why I’ve gone off AI. Options used to be that you could have a rifle or not have a rifle and life was simpler. You couldn’t fvck with stuff because it was glued together. It was a product that you didn’t need to think too hard about. Now there’s a choice for the bloody cheekpiece. Just unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bond Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Chris - As you stated you are in NZ so you are in one of the few countries that actually has a choice of the AXSR or the AX MK3. The AXSR is primarily available in the USA whereas the AX MKIII is available in the UK and ROW market outside of the USA. Although they look very similar, they are different due to the USA market being predominantly civilian and the UK / ROW markets are Military, Police and civilian and have more specific requirements. The AX MK3 does indeed have a 3 position safety but it is on the side like an AR, rather than on the bolt shroud as has been done traditionally. I arranged all the photoshoots for the 2020 brochure and can assure you that the AX MKIII rifles used all have a 3 position safety catch. The cycling of the bolt is unaffected by the 2 or 3 position safety catch. They are both smooth. If you have any questions or concerns, please do feel free to contact me. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSki Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 I was at a Bisley shoot recently where one of my companions had a later version A.I AX. He mentioned that the thumb screws securing the cheek height and Length of pull kept working loose. I advised him to use the hex wrench stowed in the cheek piece to nip it up once set to his desired position. That is when we discovered that the newer version AX has solid thumb crews with no access to the allen screws and is therefore not able to be tightened with the hex wrench. This seems to me to be a retrograde step in the design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bond Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Far from a retrograde step in the design, it is an improvement. Instead of an exposed and separate screw on the adjustment knob on an AXMC, that required more parts and assembly, it is now a one piece machined part. As you can see from the photos below, the first one shows the original adjustment knob and the other two show the new style - you can still use the hex wrench to put torque on it to tighten it, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo1963 Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Hi Alice looking at the Mk111 the reach adjustment is completely different. Hopefully we will see first hand soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo1963 Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 AXMC mK111, Rather different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorlander Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Anyone got a MKIII yet? , there seems to be a few available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo1963 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 14 hours ago, Moorlander said: Anyone got a MKIII yet? , there seems to be a few available. The factory have despatched some (optics warehouse release a video on one they must have ordered), but I haven’t heard anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot 6.5 Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 3:04 PM, A Bond said: Chris - As you stated you are in NZ so you are in one of the few countries that actually has a choice of the AXSR or the AX MK3. The AXSR is primarily available in the USA whereas the AX MKIII is available in the UK and ROW market outside of the USA. Although they look very similar, they are different due to the USA market being predominantly civilian and the UK / ROW markets are Military, Police and civilian and have more specific requirements. The AX MK3 does indeed have a 3 position safety but it is on the side like an AR, rather than on the bolt shroud as has been done traditionally. I arranged all the photoshoots for the 2020 brochure and can assure you that the AX MKIII rifles used all have a 3 position safety catch. The cycling of the bolt is unaffected by the 2 or 3 position safety catch. They are both smooth. If you have any questions or concerns, please do feel free to contact me. thanks Hello, what about triggers? AXSR Competition Trigger can be used on AX MKIII or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo1963 Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Yes the competition trigger is a direct replacement on the AT/AX/AXMC. The AXSR and AT-X US versions comes with the competition trigger as standard I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bond Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 The AXSR rifle has its own trigger specifically designed for it and it has not yet been tested in the AX MKIII so we cannot advise if the AXSR Trigger will work effectively with the AX MKIII (as the AXSR is slightly different from the AX MKIII). The " AI Competition Trigger" is a different trigger and is fitted as standard in the new AT-X rifles and is available as an aftermarket trigger for the AT / AX models.. However the "AI Competition Trigger" should not been used on the AX MKIII rifles as the safety catch set up is different on the AX MKIII (AR Style) from the traditional AT / AX rifles (shroud mounted safety) and it may not function correctly. The AI competition Trigger #C-XTSP003 and the AXSR Trigger #C-XTSP002 are manufactured by the US company called XTSP. The standard Triggers fitted to AW / AE/ AX and AT rifles are manufactured by AI in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, A Bond said: The AXSR rifle has its own trigger specifically designed for it and it has not yet been tested in the AX MKIII so we cannot advise if the AXSR Trigger will work effectively with the AX MKIII (as the AXSR is slightly different from the AX MKIII). The " AI Competition Trigger" is a different trigger and is fitted as standard in the new AT-X rifles and is available as an aftermarket trigger for the AT / AX models.. However the "AI Competition Trigger" should not been used on the AX MKIII rifles as the safety catch set up is different on the AX MKIII (AR Style) from the traditional AT / AX rifles (shroud mounted safety) and it may not function correctly. The AI competition Trigger #C-XTSP003 and the AXSR Trigger #C-XTSP002 are manufactured by the US company called XTSP. The standard Triggers fitted to AW / AE/ AX and AT rifles are manufactured by AI in the UK. I have a 2014 AT and am considering having my trigger lightened. What is the pull on the new AI Competition Trigger? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Description Developed to meet demand for an Accuracy International-compatible competition trigger, this unit satisfies that demand with an adjustable trigger pack that utilizes the existing trigger shoe for an upgrade to existing AI AT, AX Short Action, and AXMC platforms. Featuring a pull range of .75 to 2.0 lbs, this competition upgrade is set to 1.25 lbs from the factory. It may also be adjusted to function as a single-stage trigger, with the default setting being a 50/50 two-stage pull. This trigger will also function in the AW/AWM rifle platform with the addition of trigger shoe. Specifications Trigger Pull Weight: .75 - 2.0 lbs. (1.25 lbs. default) MPN: C-XTSP001 Customer Reviews Based on 2 reviewsWrite a review Comp Trigger Nigel on Jun 22, 2021 Very easy to fit. remove the grips on both sides and remove the old triggers 2 screws using a allen key. New trigger is great nice and light my accuracy has improved. Once again many thanks to Sporting Services. Report as Inappropriate Comp trigger Richard W on Dec 25, 2019 Thanks for sorting me out with the new trigger , absolutely love it straight out of the box . 1.25 pound pull first upto the second stage then pull a tiny bit more and it breaks with no overtravel . Very easy to fit just remove the pistol grip sides and take out the old trigger using an Allen key , and remember to reuse the plate to refit with the new trigger . Test trigger with the bolt to check all is ok and cock the bolt and give the rifle a bang on the floor to check it won’t go off prematurely . Groups have improved . Thanks to all at sporting services . Cheers Rich Report as Inappropriate Similar items Barrels for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Hi there above info regarding the comp trigger and my review from sporting services. It’s expensive at £550 but very very good . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Richiew said: Hi there above info regarding the comp trigger and my review from sporting services. It’s expensive at £550 but very very good . Agreed does seem quite expensive (especially compared to the TriggerTech in my Remington 700), although is it easy to fit at home? However, by the time I have travelled and paid someone to adjust my trigger, it may be easier to fit the AT trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Hi there comes out of the packet very similar to my anschutz two stage triggers all set to just over a pound and measured with a Lyman digital pull gauge . Need to use your trigger shoe from the old unit so take it off gently with a good fit Allen key taking care not to round the inside off . I had seen these on an American web site so contacted sporting services to see if they could get me one, all went well . Having all my rifles at the same setting is a big help . Hope this helps . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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