brown dog Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 As above, decided it's time to stop wearing my varied collection of green/sand and green/black softies, and get something with similar warmth and non-down, but in a 'normal colour' ... any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Buffalo Shirt http://www.buffalosystems.co.uk/products/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, John MH said: Buffalo Shirt http://www.buffalosystems.co.uk/products/ 😂 I sold my collection of buffalo stuff about 5 years ago - even had the salopettes! - saw me through my various Arctic escapades - I'm after a non-down duvet jkt of some sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserttech Europe Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 fjallraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I wear Harkila when I’m roughing it in the fields doing keeper stuff but when I want to keep warm and dry https://www.swedteam.com/en/products#/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 BD, I've some various kit from these makers that is pretty good, https://www.helikon-tex.com/en_eur/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSqyZJUjcRgts2B9BhVxyO3_Cukd41-838tTl-UWQx_sQqo96MUG0J4aAhEZEALw_wcB or https://www.pentagon.com.gr/ Get past the initial mil appearance (due to advertising appeal) then you should find something to suit? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 .... but Harkila are very nice but ££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 https://store.blaser.de/en/Men/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeld Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Arktis mammoth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Matt Arcteryx Nothing else comes close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Strangelove Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Few options: https://rab.equipment/uk/photon-pro-jacket https://www.mountain-equipment.co.uk/collections/mens-outdoor-clothing/products/citadel-jacket https://www.phdesigns.co.uk/alpha-belay-primaloft-insulated-jackethttps://alpkit.com/products/0hiro-mens-primaloft-jacket Looking at the specs, I’d say the ME Citadel will be the warmest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSG Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 sports pursuit is worth a look. Depends on what sort of warmth you want. I use Keela for work but Montane seem very good as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said: Few options: https://rab.equipment/uk/photon-pro-jacket https://www.mountain-equipment.co.uk/collections/mens-outdoor-clothing/products/citadel-jacket https://www.phdesigns.co.uk/alpha-belay-primaloft-insulated-jackethttps://alpkit.com/products/0hiro-mens-primaloft-jacket Looking at the specs, I’d say the ME Citadel will be the warmest. Yup, been googling belay jackets - the citadel does look good!😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, TSG said: sports pursuit is worth a look. Depends on what sort of warmth you want. I use Keela for work but Montane seem very good as well. Just spotted their (sport pursuit) Fjern hurly ... Nice price too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Strangelove Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, brown dog said: Just spotted their (sport pursuit) Fjern hurly ... Nice price too.. There are mixed reviews on FB for Fjern stuff. I’ve not had any of it personally but I’m not sure I’d go for it if it was my money! This could also be an option - https://www.fjallraven.com/eu/en-gb/men/jackets/winter-jackets/yupik-parka-m I got something similar in ‘UN Blue’ (!) a few years ago on eBay. Incredibly warm and a huge amount of pockets to boot (much to the annoyance of my OH!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet flint Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Arcteryx or fjallraven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan534 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Arctyrex or Carinthia. Carinthia is a more boxy fit, arms can be short for shooting having tried the LIG and MIG jackets. Now gone back to Arctyrex as fit is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds1 Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Have a look at Tilak. Czech not China made. Excellent quality to price ratio. https://www.tilak.cz/en Loke or Odin series might be suitable. https://www.tilak.cz/en/eshop/jackets?tags=20-22-hiking-1 For what it’s worth- I use one of their softies most mornings recently- starting the cars and taking Emma to school. Morning temps have been around -7c to -18c. Still felt comfortable with just a t-shirt and softie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Here's a UK maker of Ventile jackets https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/jackets/talorc-dv-jacket/ https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/jackets/glencoe-organic-dv-jacket/ It's an interesting stuff, apparently developed for the pilots during WW2. https://ventile.co.uk/history/ Attenborough wore one in some of his natural history documentaries. I looked at Tilak, but I'm afraid that the cost of importing one now would negate any price advantage. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: Here's a UK maker of Ventile jackets https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/jackets/talorc-dv-jacket/ https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/jackets/glencoe-organic-dv-jacket/ It's an interesting stuff, apparently developed for the pilots during WW2. https://ventile.co.uk/history/ Attenborough wore one in some of his natural history documentaries. I looked at Tilak, but I'm afraid that the cost of importing one now would negate any price advantage. Pete If I remember correctly, Ventile is super-fine cotton. It's very breathable in alpine conditions (very low humidity) but will be next to useless in typical UK weather as it wets out quickly and stays wet. The problem for shooters maybe the bursts of high activity followed by resting periods - very difficult to stay both warm and dry due to sweat transport and ventilation. It's similar for climbers, but for us it's a matter of pulling on a warm "belay jacket" during low activity periods and then taking it off and stowing for intense activity. I have Mountain Equipment holofill which works very well even when moist from drizzle. I wouldn't touch anything made of cotton except in super-dry conditions. Marino wool underclothes, micro fleece mid layers and then ventilated top garments with a shell (soft shell being preferred for low noise if that matters). A visit to any outdoor climbers store (Cotswold for example) will have a wide choice of good kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I imagine it would get pretty wet if you baled out into the sea wearing it, nevertheless, it was a life saver for some airmen............it's the actual wetting that prevents the water from penetrating. The cotton fibres expand causing any gaps between them to close tightly. Obviously, you wouldn't wear it in contact with your skin.....a merino layer(s) underneath would be desirable in cold windy conditions, especially if you're climbing or hiking. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: I imagine it would get pretty wet if you baled out into the sea wearing it, nevertheless, it was a life saver for some airmen............it's the actual wetting that prevents the water from penetrating. The cotton fibres expand causing any gaps between them to close tightly. Obviously, you wouldn't wear it in contact with your skin.....a merino layer(s) underneath would be desirable in cold windy conditions, especially if you're climbing or hiking. Pete I have worn Ventile in UK mountain conditions back in the day - pretty poor compared to modern synthetics. I know the theory, pretty much a step improvement before modern materials but not today. An earlier post suggested Buffalo, that's pretty much the best thing in UK conditions - I have a similar pile and wind shirt set up by a different manufacturer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted February 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Popsbengo said: I have worn Ventile in UK mountain conditions back in the day - pretty poor compared to modern synthetics. I know the theory, pretty much a step improvement before modern materials but not today. An earlier post suggested Buffalo, that's pretty much the best thing in UK conditions - I have a similar pile and wind shirt set up by a different manufacturer Ventile, well olive or dpm Ventile, goes very very dark when wetting out, it goes from 'ok' colourwise to 'black blob'; it also stiffens massively and takes on weight - combine that with any freezing, and you're encased in a black, heavy, stiff and unmoving outer. That was my experience of it 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, brown dog said: Ventile, well olive or dpm Ventile, goes very very dark when wetting out, it goes from 'ok' colourwise to 'black blob'; it also stiffens massively and takes on weight - combine that with any freezing, and you're encased in a black, heavy, stiff and unmoving outer. That was my experience of it 😊 similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezedtee Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 1:02 PM, John MH said: Buffalo Shirt http://www.buffalosystems.co.uk/products/ Agree. I bought one for Xmas. Sat out out for fox 2 hrs at -5C. Just wore a merino t shirt, buffalo shirt and medium weight windproof fleece up top. I was warm and did not feel weighed down and constricted by layers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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