Dr. Strangelove Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 4 hours ago, brown dog said: I'm not sure a bolt will necessarilly be noticeably more accurate than a BAR22... put enough scope on the BAR and give it a go. Mine is silly accurate. I’ll definitely give it a go when I’m next able to! It’s right on the legal limit for barrel length though, hence my pondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 I will have buy some proper target ammo and have a play. It seem most hunting subs are a pile of poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 hours ago, fourtyvoats said: Shot recently on a very still day at 50 metres . Rifle was Anschutz 1712 in an MDT stock. Ammo was red SKC.A perfect 200 although one shot needed gauging and was in. Wow! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Strangelove Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/27/2020 at 4:11 PM, brown dog said: I'm not sure a bolt will necessarilly be noticeably more accurate than a BAR22... put enough scope on the BAR and give it a go. Mine is silly accurate. Out of interest, what have you found works best/is most accurate in your BAR22? I've been using Eley Force and Contact thus far, mainly due to reliability! Always willing to try something else though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 sk match is best, sk standard plus a gnat's nadger close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzarM1 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Does the SK match cycle ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, gazzarM1 said: Does the SK match cycle ok? Absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Strangelove Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, brown dog said: sk match is best, sk standard plus a gnat's nadger close second. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer rick Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 9/1/2020 at 9:16 AM, palo said: I did contact eley about them and they said the only thing they changed was the packaging. Sorry I know this is a olde post, but what do you find about new 38g subs that make them worse than the old 40’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palo Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 The old ones would group under half an inch at 50 yards but I'm lucky if i get the new 38 grain to group inside one and a half inches . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Eley subs new type 36.14 grains box claims 38grains eley subs old box logo 37.1 grains box claims 40 grains. quality control not too good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 I've been out and tested some target ammo today.. Shot from 50yds prone. CZ452 with a 9 mag leupold rimfire scope. It's a little blowy today and bloody freezing.. I took some Norma subs which I've never tried before.. Used Harris bipod and rear bag. Used some Eley match and eley club. RWS club,match and special match.. Zeroed my new leupold rimfire scope with the 42gr winnie subs.. After some inconsistent results I tried a different approach as I suspected my eyes were at fault because I'm overdue a eye test and some glasses are needed as target was blurring 🙄. Old timers setting in 😱 Anyway I thought I'd try aiming at white discs on a black back ground and I could focus and hold crosshair better. Left to right Eley match. Eley club RWS special match RWS match. I shot 2 groups of 5 shots with each. Top and bottom are the same ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT3_richy Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 50 yards or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 No photo of the RWS Club ammo as it was dreadful and worse than the 42gr winnie subs.. The Norma subs were good for line but verticle dispersion was not too good.. better than the 42gr winnie subs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, GT3_richy said: 50 yards or? Edited my post Richy.. Yes 50yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer rick Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 This is really interesting, I’ve been testing ammo in a cz457 match and I’m currently in contact with eley as both there match and subs are going super sonic in my rifle... I chrono them yesterday and interestingly the subs were faster than the match! subs average:1096fps match average: 1086fps air temp 0/2deg so speed of sound would be between 1086-1090fps The match has proved good previously with best group at 3mm centre to centre, but this time opened up to around 15mm. The subs grouped better than the match in these conditions. I guess it was partly down to some of the match going super / sub sonic so affecting consistency. but I’m just disappointed the subs were all going super sonic defeating the purpose of subs!!! rws subs always stay under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 I've not checked the velocities but the Norma subs are ment to be doing 1017fps According to wording on the box.. Very quiet ammo that cycled nicely unlike the 42gr winnie subs that stick in the chamber.. Not sure at what temperature there stated speed would be doing.. All the target ammo I tested was quiet enough. Tried listening at the difference between the Norma and the eley match but I was probaly concentrating more on the accuracy.. More targets showing the eley club ammo. Most of it show a consistant poi. I think on a warmer less breezy day I could do a little better. I like the scope alot as I didn't wanna mess about focusing for hunting purposes.. Having a higher power scope and a side focus would of I think eliminated the black diamond in the middle of the target blurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, No i deer said: I've been out and tested some target ammo today.. Shot from 50yds prone. CZ452 with a 9 mag leupold rimfire scope. It's a little blowy today and bloody freezing.. I took some Norma subs which I've never tried before.. Used Harris bipod and rear bag. Used some Eley match and eley club. RWS club,match and special match.. Zeroed my new leupold rimfire scope with the 42gr winnie subs.. After some inconsistent results I tried a different approach as I suspected my eyes were at fault because I'm overdue a eye test and some glasses are needed as target was blurring 🙄. Old timers setting in 😱 Anyway I thought I'd try aiming at white discs on a black back ground and I could focus and hold crosshair better. Left to right Eley match. Eley club RWS special match RWS match. I shot 2 groups of 5 shots with each. Top and bottom are the same ammo Good groups in today's weather! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, No i deer said: I've been out and tested some target ammo today.. Shot from 50yds prone. CZ452 with a 9 mag leupold rimfire scope. It's a little blowy today and bloody freezing.. I took some Norma subs which I've never tried before.. Used Harris bipod and rear bag. Used some Eley match and eley club. RWS club,match and special match.. Zeroed my new leupold rimfire scope with the 42gr winnie subs.. After some inconsistent results I tried a different approach as I suspected my eyes were at fault because I'm overdue a eye test and some glasses are needed as target was blurring 🙄. Old timers setting in 😱 Anyway I thought I'd try aiming at white discs on a black back ground and I could focus and hold crosshair better. Left to right Eley match. Eley club RWS special match RWS match. I shot 2 groups of 5 shots with each. Top and bottom are the same ammo The force is strong in this one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 I was happier with my tactical change around and got a better target acquisition with the white disc on a dark background. I've used this way before and I'll probaly stick to this with my 22. Higher mag would get you a better accuracy potential but I think I would of killed what I was aiming at humainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Richiew said: Eley subs new type 36.14 grains box claims 38grains eley subs old box logo 37.1 grains box claims 40 grains. quality control not too good Wow that's not good.. a money saving exercise.. I'd be surprised if the new eley subs shoot any good in any rifle. Have you got any other different brands you can pull and check on you A&D scales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Wonder what else eley changed on the making of that cartridge for it to go from the best 22lr sub to the worst 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer rick Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 I found the eley subs to be reasonable, my biggest issue is the fact they are all going super sonic at over 1096fps few pics of groups: first image was the latest shot 12/2 with wind gusting up to 25mph other images - groups shot 9/2 wind low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Farmer Rick . hello mate , I rekon you must just have a dodgy lot . make no mistake, I have shot Eley subs ( old school 40 grain ) for donkeys years and nothing else , these new 38 grain efforts I just can’t do anything with them in the 4 rimfires I have owed over the past couple of years . Eley just seem to doing what they do best and fiddle . anyway here is my findings with my anni 14/16 ( 18” barrel ) over 10 shots shot at 128 m ASL and 10-11 degrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 The rest of my testing on same day with same parameters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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