Elmerfudd Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Evening everyone I have a load of 52gr eld-m that groups tiny cloverleaf, just wondered if anyone can actually verify if these expand on vermin or not. The old 52 Amax did but not tried these as yet. Anyone using them in .223 please Edited May 25, 2020 by Elmerfudd Just missed a word out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin credible Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Anything expands when it comes to a sudden stop after doing Mach 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, justin credible said: Anything expands when it comes to a sudden stop after doing Mach 3. That's the problem. A lot of target bullets don't come to a sudden stop, they simple carry on straight through leaving exit hole and cause minimal damage. I was using 52 Amax in my 22br last night and they certainly expand … , Sorry never tried the 52g ELD bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBoy69 Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 They would seem to expand on impact with water-filled jugs. Try something similar at ranges from 100 to 300 m if the expansion at longer distances needs to be checked. That or buy some ballistics gel for a more realistic 'flesh-like' test medium. https://www.defensible.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KABOOM Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 On 5/25/2020 at 3:13 PM, Elmerfudd said: Evening everyone I have a load of 52gr eld-m that groups tiny cloverleaf, just wondered if anyone can actually verify if these expand on vermin or not. The old 52 Amax did but not tried these as yet. Anyone using them in .223 please My information is that the ELD-M is the same projectile with a slight change in the polymer tip. I se no reason that they wont work as well as the old Amax did. I liked the Amax better than the V-max for two reasons, it was on hand when the v-max was sold out and they grouped as well or better with better bc compared to the 50grn v-max. I have several hundred Amax on hand and when they run out I would not hesitate to buy the ELDM for the same uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 ELD-M are meant to expand the same as the outgoing A-Max did. Of those using it, most seem to indicate that it is more reliable than the tougher jakceted ELD-X on small quarry and less messy than the SST in calibres larger than .224 I still use the SSTs in 6.5 but have not yet tried the ELD-Ms which are on my radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave thorniley Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 my load in my 223rem is 52 gr bergers they drop charlie no problem and anything else and they are target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmerfudd Posted May 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 ELD-m are very accurate on targets happy with them need to get out and test them on the vermin now (and yes I pulled the last shot) was convinced it was going in and sort of relaxed, and yes I have now adjusted my zero 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Out of interest, have you tried N133 with these bullets? I get superb results with both 55 and 60gr bullets usign N133 with better velocities than N140. Similar grouping to the above too. I load both to 2.24 OAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmerfudd Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 I only used N140 as I had some left from when I had some 69’s lol I get 3100fps at that charge with 52gr mate but I have some N133 and a few 53gr Vmax to try now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Hi all just getting ready to fire my first 223 1:8” 20” barrel tikka t3x stainless . Got some sako 55g soft points . Local shop has vmax 55 ,nosler bt 55g, federal 77g smks ,Remington accutips 55g . Anyone tried these and how they work on foxy. thanks in advance for info . cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 Sako game heads have claimed my first 223 fox , excellent accuracy and very explosive on fox at 116 yards . Zeroed at 100 yards is exactly same poi as HMR So can swap from 223 to 17 hmr without adjusting scope . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 Fox number two this week very happy with performance. Got some Berger 55 and 60 grain varmint s to try when the dies turn up . Below results of sako 55g game heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Hi all measured tikka t3x 223 with the comparator case and it’s 2.3” coal with the Berger 73 grains. Tikka mags can take 2.26 ish . So will load as per the Berger book at 2.26 and work from there . Basically load to mag length and we’re good to go . 55/60 grain varmint Berger rounds load to same and 52 grains Amax to 2.22 - secant ogive so totally different nose shape. Very glad I did this measure as was going for a much longer COAL that would of been a massive amount of jam. Sako game heads are 2.190 coal . Cheers and don’t take anything for granted in the reloading game stay safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 52 grain Amax don’t exit on foxy and are quite devastating on rabbits . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster31 Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Iv been using these for years in my 223 at 3510fps every one told me they would not expand at all well let me tell you that out to 350/400 they expand aswell if not better than 50gr blitskings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmerfudd Posted September 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Hi mate what powder do you use please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 24.5 grain of n135 give 3144 FPS average from 20” tikka varmint barrel. Coal 2.216” . cbto 1.824” Hope this helps cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmerfudd Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 12:38 PM, Duster31 said: Iv been using these for years in my 223 at 3510fps every one told me they would not expand at all well let me tell you that out to 350/400 they expand aswell if not better than 50gr blitskings Hi just to confirm, are these 52gr eld-m thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster31 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 7:18 AM, Elmerfudd said: Hi just to confirm, are these 52gr eld-m thank you Yes they are 52gr eld m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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