maximus otter Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 I mainly stalk muntjac, CWD and roe. Is the Butt Out worth the money, and is it the right size for the small species of deer? maximus otter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcampbellsmith Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 No. If you did buy one, how would you sterilise it between using it on different deer? Regards JCS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danpd Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Totally useless contraption. It takes longer to remove the rectum from the device than it does to gralloch the deer. I used to cull deer as part of a team and we'd take 30-40 a week, any supposed time saving devices like this were discussed and tested. this one was discarded after first session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 Got rid of the one I had. The best aid/tool I have used is the Sagen Saw for taking out the pelvic bone. Quick, effective and easily cleaned.~Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 I got one stuck in a muntjac once, weighed it in at the dealers, worth about 5p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banus02 Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 do the job properly,leave things like this in the shops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 Waste of time. However I've a set of surgical forceps I use for trimming around the anus. They were given to me by a retired surgeon years ago and this is apparently the same technique used for bowel surgery in humans!! Getting hold of the anus, trimming around it and then withdrawing it slightly as you further release the bowel means it releases really easily once withdrawn the other way (including the bladder - handy if it's a full one!). I don't split the aitch bone, so find this is by far the cleanest way of removing the back end and keeps everything intact without need for knots or cable ties etc (or need to expose additional haunch meat to drying out). I'm sure you'd be able to get a set on eBay these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orka Akinse Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 6 hours ago, dashed said: Waste of time. However I've a set of surgical forceps I use for trimming around the anus. They were given to me by a retired surgeon years ago and this is apparently the same technique used for bowel surgery in humans!! Getting hold of the anus, trimming around it and then withdrawing it slightly as you further release the bowel means it releases really easily once withdrawn the other way (including the bladder - handy if it's a full one!). I don't split the aitch bone, so find this is by far the cleanest way of removing the back end and keeps everything intact without need for knots or cable ties etc (or need to expose additional haunch meat to drying out). I'm sure you'd be able to get a set on eBay these days... V. Interested to understand more of your technique. Happy for it via PM thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeld Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Orka Akinse said: V. Interested to understand more of your technique. Happy for it via PM thanks 14 hours ago, dashed said: Waste of time. However I've a set of surgical forceps I use for trimming around the anus. They were given to me by a retired surgeon years ago and this is apparently the same technique used for bowel surgery in humans!! Getting hold of the anus, trimming around it and then withdrawing it slightly as you further release the bowel means it releases really easily once withdrawn the other way (including the bladder - handy if it's a full one!). I don't split the aitch bone, so find this is by far the cleanest way of removing the back end and keeps everything intact without need for knots or cable ties etc (or need to expose additional haunch meat to drying out). I'm sure you'd be able to get a set on eBay these days... I'd also like to know more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 No problem - tricky to describe in words but I'll try! 1) I like a suspended gralloch (but also works lying down) so hang the beast and open up the stomach. 2) Locate the bowel and move any faeces away from the anus, back up towards the intestines etc. You want don't want a rectum that's stuffed full of poo! 3) Now move to the outside of the back end of the deer. Use forceps to pinch the skin either side of the anus. 4) Insert knife through skin and cut a hole around the anus (and forceps which are still clamped either side of anus). 5) Withdraw the anus, trimming around the bowel / rectum as it withdraws from the body. You can also insert the knife into the pelvic cavity to free the bowel away from the body. Keep the knife facing away from the bowel so you don't nick it and don't worry about running it around the inner edges of the pelvic girdle - nothing in here you can damage. 6) You should be able to free up all the bowel as it goes through the pelvis and (making sure it's empty of faeces - see earlier!) pull it back into the body cavity and withdraw with the bladder and the rest of the guts. If you open the ribs you can actually gralloch the whole deer without cutting any part of the digestive tract so no risk of contamination. Hopefully makes sense?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I've had a quick look on eBay for the type of forceps I've got and closest I can fine is "Babcocks forceps" but they're not quite the same. I'll take a couple of pics of them later and add to the thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeld Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 hours ago, dashed said: No problem - tricky to describe in words but I'll try! 1) I like a suspended gralloch (but also works lying down) so hang the beast and open up the stomach. 2) Locate the bowel and move any faeces away from the anus, back up towards the intestines etc. You want don't want a rectum that's stuffed full of poo! 3) Now move to the outside of the back end of the deer. Use forceps to pinch the skin either side of the anus. 4) Insert knife through skin and cut a hole around the anus (and forceps which are still clamped either side of anus). 5) Withdraw the anus, trimming around the bowel / rectum as it withdraws from the body. You can also insert the knife into the pelvic cavity to free the bowel away from the body. Keep the knife facing away from the bowel so you don't nick it and don't worry about running it around the inner edges of the pelvic girdle - nothing in here you can damage. 6) You should be able to free up all the bowel as it goes through the pelvis and (making sure it's empty of faeces - see earlier!) pull it back into the body cavity and withdraw with the bladder and the rest of the guts. If you open the ribs you can actually gralloch the whole deer without cutting any part of the digestive tract so no risk of contamination. Hopefully makes sense?? Sound similar to the method demonstrated by Jelen deer on youtube, its how I do mine but without the forceps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akeld Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 hours ago, dashed said: I've had a quick look on eBay for the type of forceps I've got and closest I can fine is "Babcocks forceps" but they're not quite the same. I'll take a couple of pics of them later and add to the thread... These maybe https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-inch-Curved-Fishing-Forceps-Stainless-Hemostat-Locking-Clamps-Carp-Nice-UKP/273041795828?hash=item3f928f2af4:g:lWEAAOSw14xWJI~7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just had a look at the Jelen video - yep, very similar to that but without need to go poking around in there with your fingers or change gloves etc. Style of forceps below... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orka Akinse Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Holy crap what the hell are those called? Interesting procedure that was well explained, I managed to follow what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Orka Akinse said: Holy crap what the hell are those called? I have no idea - that's why I can't find them on eBay!! Sorry! Nearest I can find are Babcocks forceps, but they have flat blades rather than coming to a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Marker Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 https://images.app.goo.gl/6BE4U3dktqite2s98 Would these help? Forrester forcepts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangbangman Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 8/29/2018 at 9:05 PM, dashed said: Just had a look at the Jelen video - yep, very similar to that but without need to go poking around in there with your fingers or change gloves etc. Style of forceps below... Those look like a Lane 1 into 2 tissue forceps/clamp with box joint. Not to be confused with Lane’s dissecting forceps nor Lane’s bone-holding forceps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus otter Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Bangbangman said: Those look like a Lane 1 into 2 tissue forceps/clamp with box joint. l’d call that a big “Yes”: https://www.healthandcare.co.uk/tissue-forceps/lane-tissue-forceps-with-1-into-2-teeth-and-box-joint-200mm.html maximus otter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashed Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Brilliant - thanks! I've spent ages searching for the right thing over the years to try and get another pair! Plenty on ebay but sure the quality won't be as good as the link above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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