ejg223 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hi, next one. Need some reloading advice on the following. 308Win, H335, Lapua brass, cci br , with either 155 A-max or 165 SST. Rifle: Roedale L579 action Sako, 22"LW any info on distance to lands would be great. Regards edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6mmBR Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Start 10 thou off lands. Here's details off Hodgdon web site 110 GR. BAR XFB 110 H335 .308" 2.800" 44.0 3042 46,700 CUP 48.0 3210 50,800 CUP 125 GR. SIE SP 125 H335 .308" 2.700" 44.0 2840 37,500 CUP 48.0 3080 48,200 CUP 130 GR. SPR HP 130 H335 .308" 2.615" 43.0 2805 40,400 CUP 46.0 2980 49,700 CUP 140 GR. BAR XBT 140 H335 .308" 2.800" 40.0 2673 43,300 CUP 42.5 2803 49,700 CUP 150 GR. NOS BT 150 H335 .308" 2.800" 41.0 2619 42,600 CUP 44.0 2787 51,200 CUP 155 GR. SIE HPBT 155 H335 .308" 2.775" 41.0 2646 42,100 CUP 43.5 2779 49,900 CUP 165 GR. HDY SP 165 H335 .308" 2.750" 39.0 2432 44,500 CUP 42.0 2608 49,100 CUP 168 GR. SIE HPBT 168 H335 .308" 2.800" 39.0 2451 37,700 CUP 42.0 2631 49,300 CUP 175 GR. SIE HPBT 175 H335 .308" 2.800" 38.0 2390 38,800 CUP 41.3 2592 50,100 CUP 180 GR. SPR SP 180 H335 .308" 2.800" 38.0 2374 41,100 CUP 41.0 2528 49,500 CUP 190 GR. HDY BTSP 190 H335 .308" 2.740" 37.0 2246 39,200 CUP 40.0 2449 49,800 CUP 200 GR. SFT SP 200 H335 .308" 2.700" 37.0 2217 41,600 CUP 39.5 2400 50,400 CUP NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS I think you could try a different powder H335 may be a bit fast for .308? I have had excellent results with N150 and N550. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Thanks Dave, the good old reliable. H335 is the only thing i have at the moment, even mentioning the p word here is critical. I was just wondering why the speer manual recomends using mag primers with h335 ?? I'll measure a couple of factory rounds to compare seating again and measure chamber. This rifle really liked the cheap 150g fed fusion and would group under 10mm at 100 and under 1" at 200, just being in Ireland they might not sell them again. I don't like rem sp which would be available. Have you or someone heard of 155a-max being used on deer? Possibly a bit soft? cheers edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I wouldnt recommend the use any ballistic tipped type bullet on any deer.... Even tho the deer in your neck of the woods may be smaller than our Whitetailed Deer....I still wouldnt use the A max bullet. You are gonna get a lot of gritty fragmentation in the wound channel, plus pieces of the polymer tip and some bone chips as well.And if you were to hit a heavier bone such as a shoulder blade the explosive nature of the ballistic tip may result in just a flesh wound.And dont forget not only is there the s/blade but there is ribs under there also...so on a shoulder shot you got to go thru 2 bones to get to a vital.So the A max wouldnt be my choice of choices for a game animal for consuming. I would instead opt for: First choice: 150 gr BTSP Interlock 2nd choice: 168gr BTSP Interlock You didnt mention the twist rate of the rifling... "Roedale L579 action Sako, 22"LW"....LW meaning ...lightweight? Check out http://www.shilen.com... and then look for tab calibers and twists and you will get a pretty good idea what twist rate can what handle up to what weight bulllet. 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I thought reloading was illegal in Ireland? I would have said 335 was too fast too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Hi Baldie, things are changing rapidly here, before 93 all deer where shot wit 22's. Now it's opened up to 270 and 30cal. They loosend the handgun ban and pistol clubs are emerging all over the country. Handloading was always a grey area, I think they are working on a licence at the moment. Governments are only interested in money. Up to now under sixteens couldn't legally shoot, recently one can apply for a learner "licence" at 14. Yes, I also think H335 is a bit fast, in the long run I would change. Panther, my rifle has a 22" 1in10 Lothar Walther match barrel, something like #5 profile, heavy sporter or light Varmint. I think she would prefer between 165g and 180g. I wouldn't be comftable with the a-max on deer, but I don't know much about them, that's why i asked. Several people rave about the sst's though, for smallisch sika one want's the bullet to open a bit. I've seen several being shot with a slow 6.5x55sw which just punched a tiny hole through and the sika ran for quite a bit. Nosler ballistic tips have a good reputation here too. Hey, rather chew on a bit of polycarbonate than on lead, or? Polycarbonate won't even melt in the oven. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 1:10 is the same for my Black Rifle.... I dont reload yet...and am not very fond of spendin 25 -30 dollars a box for ammo. So for me a 15 dollar box of Rem 150 SP do the trick well.... Back when I first started shooting ....for factory stuff it was either Rem or Win,and Win had too many dead primers...so I wasnt impressed by "Silvertips"....Federal was expensive and not many used them. I only had 2 runners out of the last 6 and them didnt go very far... The other 4 dropped in their tracks...(1 head,2neck,1 shoulder) On the runners.... One was a liver shot(my fault) and the other was a low chest shot (again my fault)... In the case of the liver shot I misread her body language and squeezed as she stepped forward. In the case of the low chest shot...it was at 25 feet and a nice buck that later was mounted so I went for the hair swirl on the chest...I didnt want to take a chance at ruining the mount. Both only went 200-250 yrds....just far enough to be a real pain draggin out...the buck did drop close to the road...and it was only a 30 ft drag...but it was sickening watchin it run off and I wondered how I had missed. The Ol' Man shoots a .308 also...(I am my father's son,no doubt of that)but he prefers the 180 round nose. It hits them hard.I dont like the BC of the RN but it sure does knock em off their feet. The 168 or 173 Sierra HP's should work really well too...but you mentioned Hornady. I couldnt find a HP for Hornady...but my catalog is a 3 or 4 yrs old now...so they might make one by now. Lead or Plastic???Hmmm...??? Lead chips teeth....Tupperware belongs in the fridge. 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 The most impressive factory round in my rifle was, as mentioned earlier, the Fusion (by Federal) I don't think it say's federal on the box, just fusion. Here this ammo is cheaper than RemSP, has a BC of 0.413 as far as i can remember and holds together really well. Out of the retrieved heads the worst one had 84% weight retention. That was a sika stag at about 100yds and hit a lot of bone. The lead is really fused well to the copper. My mates stutzen doesn't like them, my rifle does, luck. Only had the 150g up too now, they also make 165g &180g. My goal now is, at least on paper to be able to shoot up to 300m consistantly and know what i'm doing. That will give me more confidence in the field. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 A quick thought... Before you load a couple A maxes up... You might try pullin the ballistic tip out ..... It would give a nice HP to work with.. The Swede 6.5x55 was probably a FMJ wich was why it left a nice neat lil hole thru the Deer. If tryin to get a FMJ to expand ya gotta turn up the speed. And if your gonna play with Sierra's get ready to pay dearly for them... The war has raised hell with prices.... Rem 150gr SP was about $13/box...at most places At Wal mart I can get them for $16/box.... Gander Mountain...Hunt/Fish/Camp retailer they are at $20/box... Hornady Custom loads....$35/box at another retailer...Sportsmans Whorehouse....I mean Wharehouse What were the specs on the Stutzen??? 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Hi Panther, the 6.5 had lapua mega 155gr. in them. Great hunting bullit. They are great for penetration and hitting bone. Just if your miss a rib going in on a smallisch deer and the low speed of the 155gr, she doesn't open enough. The only time i remember using FMJ on game was in my childhood in south africa with the 308 on duiker and steenbokkie, which are realy small. One part of killing power is the size of the hole, 30 cal makes around 38% larger hole than a 6.5, people forget that sometimes. My friend has a Sauer 202. Nice rifle, would be too nice for me. My equipment gets battered around a bit. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Had a go, the 155 a-max with 42gr H335 where ok. the 165gr sst where not good 41g H335 thanks again Dave edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6mmBR Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Cracking group with those A max, you lucky bugger thats 2 loads sorted out very quickly Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 308Panther Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Nice group w/ the 155's.... and the 165's would still be accurate enough to drop a deer at 300 yrds... 308Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Dave, I'll load a batch of those 155 amaxes and test this week. On Saturday Ive got my HCAP test on a range up country. I think it's similar to your stalking range test. If the homeloads prove consistant I'll use em, otherwise Lapua scenars which also shoot well. Panther, your'e dead right with the 165's, I didn't see any pressure signs and will try a couple with a bit more powder. Seating is at max col, any longer and they won't fit in the mag. Still way off the lands. Last season i head shot two deer, that was all that was visible in the high grass. One was at 273 yds the other at 120. For that kind of shooting you'd want a bit better grouping. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steyrman2 Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 hi there if you try the 165 sst with n 140 i use 42 grains with perfect results also 168 amax will provide all the stopping power you need i have used them on sika hybrids in wicklow with deadly results when im hind stalking also i usen133 with 110 vmax and 125 btip all good hunting/ varminting im not a millon miles from you maybe we can meet up and try a few loads out also on the reloadinghere at the moment there is permits out for powder and primers so we are moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Hi Steyerman, I'm thankfull for the powder i could source, better than trying to mix something. You know the situation here. What kind of permit should i ask for? I presume i need to talk to my sergeant who deals with my rifle licences. He is a real nice chap, just has no clue so i need to explain exactly what i want. Last time he stopped me on the road in the middle of town and screamed across that he's got my silencer licence. A friend of mine has some 140, recon he'll let me try some. Nice to here that the a-maxes work on game, i wouldn't be too bothered about them being a bit explosive. At shorter ranges it is an advatage on neck shots and at long ranges it'll open at least. I might use a fox as a test. poor bugger. I'll PM you my phone no and e-mail and we can get in contact. If you're down south, drop in. Just, being married and 3 kids i have to steal time to get out. The range situation is very limited here too. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steyrman2 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 no problem i will forward my details to you at the moment im trying some new loads im chop and change with diff oal to fit mags n133 with 110 vmax and 125 btip running at 3100 fps holding well no signs of pressure good groups in my steyr tac elite 308 i also run a steyr tac in 223 with some savage groups and long range shots on foxes and grey crows with 50 grn btips i wish i could put some pics up things are moving very quick a buddy of mine now has a 338 laupa mag fired a few shots out of it what a round unreal power you could not get the smile off my face for hours afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Steyrman2 pm sent regards edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Edi, Nice groups mein herr! You mentioned magnum primers in an earlier thread, its generally accepted that magnum primers give better ignition with ball or flattened ball powder. Might be worth a try but judging by your groups you will probably spoil them by swapping primers. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Edi,Nice groups mein herr! You mentioned magnum primers in an earlier thread, its generally accepted that magnum primers give better ignition with ball or flattened ball powder. Might be worth a try but judging by your groups you will probably spoil them by swapping primers. Ian. Thanks Ian, I'm totally chuffed with the a-maxes, made another 30 of them and will use them for my hcap test on Saturday. I fired another 3 yesterday and i'd say they go exactly where the crosshair is, two went in one hole and one slightly off but thats because i'm not the greatest shot. They shoot about 20mm higher than factory Lap 167 scenars that i used on a deer target today. The 165 SST are a bit of a worry, i increased the charge by 0.5g and it got worse. I think I'll save the h335 for my 223 and try to source something else. That pound i have aint gonna last very long anyway and i don't know if i can get more of it. I need a good hunting load for september. Maybe a 150gr SP or btip bullet would've been the answer. I'm using the cci br primers at the moment, no duds so far... edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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