Zzrpilot Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Woaa!!! Very impressive this velocity just over 3000fps! (Without signs of higth presure certainly? ) Can you specify the load and the powder Zzrpilot? With Small rifle the new LAPUA case are more brass around the Primer Pocket and perhaps a better resistance to the Presure than a Large primer Case??? (For Pow1 : For the LAPUA Scenar 139 gr I tried one jump : .020'', and I have a good accuracy ! ) A+ Laurent Yes it is fast and we ran it over a good chrono to be sure. When we are happy with the load and the load has been run through proof house I will be publishing loads but not before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boydy47 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Yes it is fast and we ran it over a good chrono to be sure. When we are happy with the load and the load has been run through proof house I will be publishing loads but not before Did it come down from 3100 on the second test? Have you run it on quick load to see what pressures you may be getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Laurent, Thats very detailed and helpful data for me, im a little disappointed at the RS accuracy, RS40 in my 308 is very good... Im hoping my tikka will actually be available in the next 2 weeks and then over then next few months I will tey some loads and upload my data. I think I will try the 139g scenars as well. I will uae the lapua cases with small primer. What jump were you using? Many thanks, Paolo RS40 is too fast burning for the 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor which need powders around 4350 burning speeds - so the three 4350s (i/c Lovex SO70), RS60/62, IMR-4350/4451; H4350/414; Viht N150/550/160. RS40 is the canister version of the propellant used in the Swiss 5.6mm Gewehr Patrone 90, (GP 90) cartridge, their take on the later heavy (63gn in Swiss form) bullet 5.56X45mm Nato round with which it is interchangeable. It will give very high velocities in .308 Win with 155gn class bullets, but isn't as well suited to heavier bullets in the cartridge as RS50 and RS52. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Thank Laurie, about powder for 6.5 Creedmoor (and other calibers...) do you Know the New N160 Anti-Foulling? http://www.vihtavuori.com/upload/guide-and-brochure/vihtavuori-n160-anti-copper-results.pdf (merci jrb95!) A+ Laurent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 That's the first I've heard of this - thank you for the link Laurent. I'm not too surprised - all powder manufacturers are moving this way, most likely to stay competitive in military ammunition markets, but we recreational shooters get the benefits too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Yes Laurie I know the American Powder send this anti-fouling Powder for the .223 Rem if I remember good! IT's a member of a French forum (TMF) that give me the information, but I quickly searched this PDF on the site Vihta without success! If you're more lucky than me I'm a taker! Always a peasure to read you! A+ Laurent. Ps : I will test my Magic realod (44 gr H4350 +Lapua scenar 139 gr le 06/23-24 at 600m 1000m and 1270m CAYLUS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow1 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 All very interesting stuff!! Zzrpilot, can you tell us what powder that was, id assume RS?? .20 tho jump sounds good Laurent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 IT's a member of a French forum (TMF) that give me the information, but I quickly searched this PDF on the site Vihta without success! If you're more lucky than me I'm a taker! Eurêka Laurie! I find this on Facebook page Vihtavuori : Vihtavuori Powders – better for barrels with decoppering agent! All Vihtavuori reloading powders produced today have an added decoppering agent. What does that mean for you, the reloader using our powders? Well, the decoppering agent reduces the amount of copper residue that forms within the rifle bore when shooting. Less copper residue translates as a cleaner rifle barrel. For the reloading target shooter, this means muzzle velocities with less deviation and increased accur...acy, especially when firing multiple groups. Shooting tests comparing the results of shots fired using a powder without the decoppering agent versus a powder with the decoppering agent show a notable difference in the amount of copper residue inside the rifle bore after only 50 shots (enclosed picture). 16/03/2017 http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/news/22 A+ Laurent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 The new production PETERSON Match Grade Brass : 6.5 Creedmoor with tow options, standard and Fat Neck... http://mailchi.mp/831e2995a4ac/introducing-our-new-creedmoor-fat-neck-casings A+ Laurent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Is there a UK supplier of Peterson Creedmoor cases? I have some .308 Palma's to try and they are excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Viking Arms said some months back that they would be importing Peterson Creedmoor and 308 brass as well as others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Viking Arms said some months back that they would be importing Peterson Creedmoor and 308 brass as well as others. Thanks Laurie. I'll call them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Viking Arms have had Peterson Creedmoor brass on order since September and they don't know when it will arrive. But they do have Lapua Creedmoor cases in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Viking Arms have had Peterson Creedmoor brass on order since September and they don't know when it will arrive. But they do have Lapua Creedmoor cases in stock. It likely shows just how mad the demand for good Creedmoor brass is over in the US! I imagine it's cheaper than Lapua there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Dauntsey Guns have them listed on their website as 'coming soon'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BERGEON Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Viking Arms said some months back that they would be importing Peterson Creedmoor and 308 brass as well as others. The .308 Brass PETERSON are very good after 32 Firings! http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/04/tough-brass-peterson-308-win-brass-strong-after-32-firings/ A+ Laurent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 So in conclusion - if you are looking for a European powder for 6.5 Creedmoor to run a heavyish bullets - specifically the 139gr scenar and 140gr Berger hybrid the best is probably RS62 and maybe VV N160 ??? (as the closest to the proven stateside 6.5CM benchmark of H4350) I am looking for accuracy and good (not mental) performance without frying the barrel in 1000 rounds does this sound reasonable? any view on primers - am picking up some supplies tomorrow and my latest research on 6.5CM load data / recommendations with the European powders has yielded pretty slim pickings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Hobbit, I run my CM with H4350 and SMK 142 grain bullets at ~2850/60 fps and 139 Scenars at ~2900 fps. Accuracy is excellent in both cases. I know some like to push theirs faster but the elevation and wind compensation isn't worth it IMHO. I understand (and QuickLoad verifies this) that RS62 gives higher MVs but I've yet too test it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Thank you for that Brillo I picked up some RS62 today to load develop for my new 6.5CM - I will magneto speed the results (I will aim to find a good group/stable POI/stable MV node) and report back given the sparse data here - I got a reloader swiss reloading handbook and it did not even feature the 6.5CM Regards Hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Hobbit, I run my CM with H4350 and SMK 142 grain bullets at ~2850/60 fps and 139 Scenars at ~2900 fps. Accuracy is excellent in both cases. I know some like to push theirs faster but the elevation and wind compensation isn't worth it IMHO. I understand (and QuickLoad verifies this) that RS62 gives higher MVs but I've yet too test it. Hi Brillo, It's a pleasure to read you! It's a very good vellocity 2900 fps (884 m/s) for the association LAPUA Scenar 139gr + H4350 in 6.5Creedmoor ! Is it possible to know your load of H4350 and your lengh barrel? Because in my RPR (24'' 5R) I run my LAPUA Scenar 139 gr Moly at 2800 fps(853 m/s) and when I see Quick Load the presure is near the Pmax with 43.85 gr H4350...Be carrefull! A+ Laurent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERGEON Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I understand (and QuickLoad verifies this) that RS62 gives higher MVs but I've yet too test it. In my diferent test powder, it's the RS60 give me the Higher velocity! A+ Laurent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Hi Bergeon. I've sent you a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Bergeon How did RS62 measure up on accuracy?? I will be testing Berger Hydrid 140gr and Lapua Scenar 139gr Cheers Hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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