John MH Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Why could you possibly want or need a semi auto or pistol? I used to be trusted by the government of the day to own a pistol and a semi-auto full bore rifle in this country. I did not ever see it as a right but I was very disappointed when they were confiscated because of a heinous act perpetrated by two individuals who had no justifiable business owning either. The fact is that if the law of the land had been correctly, impartially and rigorously enforced by those responsible to do so neither of those terrible crimes would have been committed with legally held firearms. Those responsible for our safety were not made to account or punished, I was. Would I wish to own a semi-auto rifle and pistol to go about what had for been for many years and still is a fully legitimate activity, the answer is yes, am I ever likely to in this country again, the answer to that is, unfortunately, no. There is currently a Law Commission consultation underway that may have a profound effect on my and your sporting activities, be careful what you wish for as there are plenty of bigoted journalist who support your views: Published in the Guardian today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 John your resting on old values. Values that you quite rightly respected. People then were different. Look at The people interested in firearms in 1996 and look at the people that would like to get hold of them now. Times have changed, people are different..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 My best understanding of US 'gun culture' was received in Iraq when making small talk with a US National Guard major serving with the 10th Mountain Division. His opening chat (not knowing me at all) was (read this in a banjo Appalachian drawl): "here's a good one for you, Matt: 'eskit ter,ermee' " he went on: "it means 'shut up, or I'll shoot you' ". He had no concept or care that 'shooting someone' isn't a macho posturing statement, it actually leaves them dead. As I said, cultural schism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I,ll bet the gun control network are loving this. Ban them all, then we can discuss tents, or water purification , or some other drivel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I,ll bet the gun control network are loving this. Ban them all, then we can discuss tents, or water purification , or some other drivel.... Ha ha Which is important why we have this debate, to protect the future of our sport. And your business. Far extremes will spell disaster for us either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 John your resting on old values. Values that you quite rightly respected. People then were different. Look at The people interested in firearms in 1996 and look at the people that would like to get hold of them now. Times have changed, people are different..... Hoodlums don't generally join clubs and take up target shooting. Clubs BTW are very good at vetting members (in my experience). I'm usually pretty careful when it comes to voicing my opinions when there's a shooting, but this was no different to any other shooting in the US or murder here....it's just that this one was played out on TV. I'd imagine that in reality most murders look very similar in the flesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I,ll bet the gun control network are loving this. Ban them all, then we can discuss tents, or water purification , or some other drivel.... No one's said that. The licensing system is fine just as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hoodlums don't generally join clubs and take up target shooting. Clubs BTW are very good at vetting members (in my experience). I'm usually pretty careful when it comes to voicing my opinions when there's a shooting, but this was no different to any other shooting in the US or murder here....it's just that this one was played out on TV. I'd imagine that in reality most murders look very similar in the flesh I can't comment on the clubs, iv had little contact with them. And I'm not debating on murder as a general. What I'm saying is that our gun laws would make it harder for people to get a pistol and shoot some one. Pretty much as brown dog as said above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ha ha Which is important why we have this debate, to protect the future of our sport. And your business. Far extremes will spell disaster for us either way. Well you've already thrown in the "I don't see why people should have <insert type of firearm you are anti about> as there's no legitimate sporting reason for having them. People always look to the gun, they never question why America seems to have a propensity of people wanting to kill fellow citizens for the slightest, or no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Do you think any one in the UK should be allowed to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm? Regardless of type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Just re-watched the Jim Jeffries vid from earlier. Always makes me laugh: "YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!" "Yes you can. It's called an amendment." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 People always look to the gun, they never question why America seems to have a propensity of people wanting to kill fellow citizens for the slightest, or no reason Read my post about the hick Nat Guard offr. Cultural schism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Times have changed, people are different..... I would take it by that suggestion that no one, these days, should be trusted to own a firearm. Unfortunately generalisations like that work very much in favour to those who want more restrictions on firearms ownership for nothing other than a politically motivated and very much socialist agenda. I miss my pistols but I am not pining for their return, nor am I pining the return of semi-auto full-bore rifles. The Second Amendment is a US issue and has no relevance on these shores, similarly I think it somewhat deluded and futile to keep pushing 'Petitions' aimed at getting the amendments to the 1968 Act repealed. Our current laws are adequate although confused and lack clarity so could benefit from an overhaul, however, any moves to further restrict lawful activities with the firearms we are currently allowed to posses should be strongly opposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Our current laws are adequate although confused and lack clarity so could benefit from an overhaul, however, any moves to further restrict lawful activities with the firearms we are currently allowed to posses should be strongly opposed. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I can't comment on the clubs, iv had little contact with them. And I'm not debating on murder as a general. What I'm saying is that our gun laws would make it harder for people to get a pistol and shoot some one. Pretty much as brown dog as said above. Well there was someone murdered up here in London a few weeks ago with a Machine-gun, and those are banned! Maybe the killers didn't realise that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I would take it by that suggestion that no one, these days, should be trusted to own a firearm. Unfortunately generalisations like that work very much in favour to those who want more restrictions on firearms ownership for nothing other than a politically motivated and very much socialist agenda. I miss my pistols but I am not pining for their return, nor am I pining the return of semi-auto full-bore rifles. The Second Amendment is a US issue and has no relevance on these shores, similarly I think it somewhat deluded and futile to keep pushing 'Petitions' aimed at getting the amendments to the 1968 Act repealed. Our current laws are adequate although confused and lack clarity so could benefit from an overhaul, however, any moves to further restrict lawful activities with the firearms we are currently allowed to posses should be strongly opposed. I'm not saying we should enforce stricter licence parameters.....I'm saying ours are fine as they are. If the state of Virginia had the same. It would have been harder (not impossible) for a man or woman to walk into a shop and buy a hand gun with no checks what so ever to use in any way he or she pleases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well there was someone murdered up here in London a few weeks ago with a Machine-gun, and those are banned! Maybe the killers didn't realise that Good point. We should enable supermarkets to stock machine guns to make sure they're not just accessible to drug gangs, but open for easy purchase by every n'er do well, scrote, discontent and schizo. That's real freedom, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Do you think any one in the UK should be allowed to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm? Regardless of type Yes, if they meet set required standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well there was someone murdered up here in London a few weeks ago with a Machine-gun, and those are banned! Maybe the killers didn't realise that So on that theory We should just allow every Tom dick and Harry buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yes, if they meet set required standards Ok I thought this would spark intelligent debate......I'm out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ok I thought this would spark intelligent debate......I'm out So you would only be happy if I gave you the answer you want me to give. How very fair and balanced of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I doubt anyone here is suggesting a total relaxation of Firearms Laws and wishing to see Tesco selling firearms as well as the already quite deadly, pots, pans, sharp pencils, cricket bats and hammers they currently stock. The problem in the US is quite unique to them alone and has no parallel to what we have here. Firearms Legislation in the UK is amongst the toughest in the civilised world and the criminal use of firearms is not and will not be effected by further restrictive legislation on the lawful use of firearms for sporting purposes. A guy I regularly shoot with had his FAC revoked a few years ago after a significant number of firearms and ammunition were stolen from his car. He did get his FAC back on the steps of the court as the police decided to return it rather than let the Judge tell them to. The stolen firearms and ammunition turned up several months later, they had been dumped in a water filled ditch and were rendered useless by the corrosion they suffered; although multi-shot and semi-auto these 'Competition' firearms were of no interest to criminals as they could be traced and were simply not of the type that a 'gangsta' would be seen with. Comparing the UK to the US is like comparing chalk and cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I think it somewhat deluded and futile to keep pushing 'Petitions' aimed at getting the amendments to the 1968 Act repealed.I'm afraid that that's the attitude of most shooters in this country and is why this.. any moves to further restrict lawful activities with the firearms we are currently allowed to posses should be strongly opposed.Will never happen, regardless of what is proposed. As a country, we've generally become spineless (uniformed services excepted). Happily, I've read through the current law society consultation on firearms law and the proposed changes have nothing to do with restriction, just clarification of terms that will make things clearer for everyone. Personally, I'd love to shoot 3 gun competitions here but I don't see it ever happening and although that's a little disappointing, I'll survive without. I think the restrictions on firearms here work well. They would also work well in America if they could travel back in time and introduce them 200 years ago. If they were implemented now, there would be a few Waco style standoffs, many deaths and many, many lawsuits. Ultimately though, I think it would do the country some good even if the short term pain was high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 You cannot turn the clock back, but we can make reasoned arguments to keep what we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSG Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I can still shoot pistols if I wish. I am not that bothered about them any more. I felt quite aggrieved by having them taken away. From my experience you can get if you wish and have the cash, pretty much anything you want , but the UK border agency and associated agencies do a good job in stopping some firearms getting into the UK. I do understand the angst from both sides of the argument but it is each to their own. I have carried guns in the USA but was surprised by what seems to still be a frontier attitude.are we perhaps old fashioned now? People seem quite happy to watch people being beheaded or shot on YouTube but are quite happy to defend some poor old lion against stupid dentists. I think firearms licensing in the UK is about right but could be better without being more or less restrictive given the UK population now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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