The Gun Pimp Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Agreed about the increasingly ridiculous strict interpretation of ITAR. The US State Department has effectively killed a vibrant US export market, but the US domestic market is so big that no-one seems to care very much. I don't think they have killed anything - we are all still sourcing and using American-made shooting products - it's just that the State department is now 'making a butty' on it by forcing exporters to buy a license - the cost of which they pass on to us, which was the whole point of ITAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR Chris Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ops yep no L peteAT superbikeservices.com pm sent :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR Chris Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I just had an email back from Annaleez He says he will ship 2 together to the UK for $90 (normally $85 for one) Anyone want to share postage? pm me if interested & include your email so we can discuss :-) Chris ps Sorry for the thread hijack :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So I take it the group buy is a non starter now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted August 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 As said before there's very little profit in it to get a group discount $5 on power supply and $80 on post for two. If you want copy of the E mails PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Looks like I've just resolved my unemployment situation so I'll be buying one in the next month or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Well you've all managed all these years without an annealing machine, same as you all managed to work up loads for many years before that new-fangled Quickload ® came along God Damned Yanks inventing stuff all y'all just can't do without I'll be in the pub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Its unlikely there will ever be a British made product. No one in their right mind would put money into a product that could retail at £500 is here. I know this from bitter experience, going to the expense of having specialist rails, bolt handles etc etc made. Everyone is quick to come up with ideas, but they disappear when its time to put their hand in their pocket. I have no doubt some guys on here would pay for an annealer....but some are simply flapping their lips. I,ve said to many of my customers who visit regularly...just bring your brass and pay something for the gas and electric, and watch them being done whilst tea is supped. 9 out of ten can't even do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem700 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Thanks Tisme for your time in trying to sort a group buy I have now bought one from his site with the 300 BLK kit So it will do my 6mmbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I've also just ordered one via his web site along with the 300 BLK kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I've also just ordered one via his web site along with the 300 BLK kit. Well you've all managed all these years without an annealing machine, same as you all managed to work up loads for many years before that new-fangled Quickload ® came along God Damned Yanks inventing stuff all y'all just can't do without I'll be in the pub Nowt wrong with improvement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I've also just ordered one via his web site along with the 300 BLK kit. Which site Andy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 after following this thread and reading all the comments about wanting to buy British made I have decided to have a go and make one myself for my own use I have already spent £80 on 2 x Motors 2 x controllers toggle switch 2 x motor spindle adaptors and plus bits screws etc and only half way there so I can see where they get there price tag £300 to £500 depending on build. that will be bonny! it will look like something from back to the future. are you sure its not a time machine to go back and recapture your youth and good looks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Well you've all managed all these years without an annealing machine, same as you all managed to work up loads for many years before that new-fangled Quickload ® came along God Damned Yanks inventing stuff all y'all just can't do without I'll be in the pub But I've been annealing by rubbing the cases between my thighs. I thought this machine would save me a fortune in Savlon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://annealeez.ddns.net Which site Andy? Here Gary Which site Andy? Here Gary http://annealeez.ddns.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://annealeez.ddns.net Here Gary Here Gary http://annealeez.ddns.net DOH!brains not in gear today -thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggy Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Taken a punt and sent off for one. Well, just had to really as not wanting to be known as a "Lip Flapper" cheers froggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem700 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Taken a punt and sent off for one. Well, just had to really as not wanting to be known as a "Lip Flapper" cheers froggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR Chris Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Update regarding the powersupply. I asked Jeff to check as most laptop type ac adaptors are multi voltage input ie 100-240v He's sent me a picture of the power supply he supplies. It is suitable for UK (100-240v & 50/60Hz input & CE approved) Pic attached My order is pending, just waiting for him to bill me with Intl shipping :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxshooter Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Looks like I will be ordering one with all the bits as soon as I get this week out of the way (car service, Lorry plate, farrier + saddler ouch!!) Mark If anyone in Norfolk/Suffolk/Cambs wants one too and wants to split/share the shipping let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I made this years ago with hand tools basically. Its a windscreen motor and a couple of torches from B +Q. Not difficult . If you want something badly enough....you improvise. I,m glad you guys are able to get them , as annealing makes a fair difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Annealing seems to have fairly well 'documented' metallurgical advantages-ie users report more reloads with their brass,though actual figures are a little more elusive,and an ad hoc comparison of costs is not completely convincing. More uniform neck tension is likewise claimed,and plausible,and 'a good thing'...but...there is 'more shooting',which is good,and ' more accurate shooting',desired by some... Is there any decent evidence for measured improvement in actual holes in target performance? I am not sceptical,just can't find much real data on this performance issue, of the basic sort- a credible sample of targets shot with ammo before,and after annealing,with no other changes. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That bald headed Geordie Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Annealing seems to have fairly well 'documented' metallurgical advantages-ie users report more reloads with their brass,though actual figures are a little more elusive,and an ad hoc comparison of costs is not completely convincing. More uniform neck tension is likewise claimed,and plausible,and 'a good thing'...but...there is 'more shooting',which is good,and ' more accurate shooting',desired by some... Is there any decent evidence for measured improvement in actual holes in target performance? I am not sceptical,just can't find much real data on this performance issue, of the basic sort- a credible sample of targets shot with ammo before,and after annealing,with no other changes. gbal Hi George, I did anneal using the Benchsource machine and annealed my cases after each reloading. I cannot say absolutely that annealing improved my groups at 600 to 1000 yards in F class / Benchrest. But I felt better knowing that the case mouths were not work hardened which may have caused problems. However, I am testing a few loads today at Ponteland and the .284 cases have not been annealed at all. So see you at lunchtime and let us see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Yes George. What switched me on to annealing was this. My first 6.5 x 47 was a big , heavy barrelled gun that was a genuine 1/4" gun. I was running 300 cases with it and after 3 firings the accuracy went south. The groups opened up to 3/4" and i was at a loss why. I scrubbed the barrel etc and could not get the accuracy back. I then decided to anneal 30 cases with a cordless driver, socket and gas torch. Duly reloaded, i tested and got the 1/4" gun back by simply annealing the brass. Thus the contraption pictured above was born. That was conclusive for me, and now I anneal as part of the case prep every time. It gives you that "new brass" feel and accuracy....but every firing, and you know the old saying...."nothing shoots like new brass" I read an american had done a longevity test on either a 30-06 or .300WM case by firing it, then annealing, then firing it again etc. He gave up at 50 reloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Have any of you found it necessary to anneal virgin brass (Lapua) or do you start annealing after the first firing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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