skany Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hi guys jsut bought a ziess victory & it has .5cm clicks does the tally up as "mil" its numbered 10-70 with ten .5cm click between each unit of ten! so is each "10" 1x mill And exball is telling me my 600yd drop is 2.67 mil or 57.5" this is with a 243ai @ 3775fps & 65g vamax now as im MOA shooter up untill this point is this on the right track? its mainly my foxing rig these days but i do like the option to dial if need be(daytime) cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Skany apologies for delayed reply. A .1 MIL ajustment click on PM11's equals 1cm at 100 mtrs (10 cm at 1000 mtrs) So, if your click value is .5cm (half a cm) then the ajustment value is (in theory) .05 MIL at 100 mtrs. However if it were me, I would check your ajustment values at 100 mtrs (say a movement of ten clicks will if the scopes tracking is accurate, move the ret /point of impact 5cm) If your scope has inscriptions 0-1 then 2, 3 4, 5 etc etc. with ten "clicks" in bettween and its a .05 MIL ajustment, this will end in confusion and every numerical number will have to be divided by 2 to give the real MIL value. However, if there are twenty clicks bettween 0-1 / 1-2 / 2-3 etc etc, then your numerical inscriptions are mIL values. I obviously stand to be corrected, maybe Matt will give a more accurate view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Skany apologies for delayed reply. A .1 MIL ajustment click on PM11's equals 1cm at 100 mtrs (10 cm at 1000 mtrs) So, if your click value is .5cm (half a cm) then the ajustment value is (in theory) .05 MIL at 100 mtrs. However if it were me, I would check your ajustment values at 100 mtrs (say a movement of ten clicks will if the scopes tracking is accurate, move the ret /point of impact 5cm) If your scope has inscriptions 0-1 then 2, 3 4, 5 etc etc. with ten "clicks" in bettween and its a .05 MIL ajustment, this will end in confusion and every numerical number will have to be divided by 2 to give the real MIL value. However, if there are twenty clicks bettween 0-1 / 1-2 / 2-3 etc etc, then your numerical inscriptions are mIL values. I obviously stand to be corrected, maybe Matt will give a more accurate view... Hi Andy thanks for the reply mate!:-) Hmmm tis a bit weird then ronin as on the tenth click its numbered number 10 then 20 is 20clicks & so on |& so forth! A few lads on here use this scope so im hoping they pipe up to! cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Prepare to do your head in!!!Your gonna have to think,zero,range find,windage,drop and elevation charts etc all in metric now my friend and the very best of luck to you.I tried to work with my rifles with metric and moa scopes and in the end gave up on the confusion it caused.This dont help you I know,hope you dont end up selling the Zeiss to go back like I did,that was a rip.All the best but if you stick with it I think metric has some advantages.All the best Onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hi guys jsut bought a ziess victory & it has .5cm clicks does the tally up as "mil" its numbered 10-70 with ten .5cm click between each unit of ten! so is each "10" 1x mill And exball is telling me my 600yd drop is 2.67 mil or 57.5" this is with a 243ai @ 3775fps & 65g vamax now as im MOA shooter up untill this point is this on the right track? its mainly my foxing rig these days but i do like the option to dial if need be(daytime) cheers Andy Hi mate I have a zeiss 6-24-56 with same turret adj..have you put the correct settings into exbal as i found it all to confusing when i bought mine. You should use sight adjustment options. Select CPHM units (cm/100 meters) and a click size of ½, i was using mine out to 600+ with 75grn amax in my 223 and i was very happy with the results.. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hi mate I have a zeiss 6-24-56 with same turret adj..have you put the correct settings into exbal as i found it all to confusing when i bought mine. You should use sight adjustment options. Select CPHM units (cm/100 meters) and a click size of ½, i was using mine out to 600+ with 75grn amax in my 223 and i was very happy with the results.. Mick so number 10 on the turret actualy means 5cm? nice glad I shant dial it much LOL shouldn't be a prob with confusion ill just use matts card on my moa scope still seems poor on ziess part unless I'm totaly missing something cheers for replys andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Yeah just make sure you plug in 1/2 cm clicks in your program and work with the number of clicks required.If you do this the turret reads and works real easy.You must get MOA and how it works right out of your head.Zero at 100m [really important] Range find in meters and click it in. If I could have afforded it I would probably have gone metric completley but cost prevented conversion of my rifle combos.Onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Yeah just make sure you plug in 1/2 cm clicks in your program and work with the number of clicks required.If you do this the turret reads and works real easy.You must get MOA and how it works right out of your head.Zero at 100m [really important] Range find in meters and click it in.If I could have afforded it I would probably have gone metric completley but cost prevented conversion of my rifle combos.Onehole. surely if you zero it at 100yds & & range in yards & set it so in exball it will make no differnace?????? cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Andy!,GET yards and MOA etc out yer head.You may well get it to work in some fashion or other but all I am saying is why bother the scope is set to work in metric.I am sure Zeiss intended it to work this way.Is it that your ranger cant do metric perhaps?All the best,Onehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Metric far easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 My range finder is only in yds but i have a quick conversion table to give me a reading in mtrs...but like other chaps say make sure you zero at 100 mtrs..and not a inch high. once you have it all set correctly in exbal it should work fine. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Hi all Micky am i right on the turret values? (as in 10 is 5 or 5cm in real life) im really not seeing something here with regards to yds & meters ! id have thought it would make no odds at all if set in yds in exbal as the range will be the same however its inputted! its not going to get dialed much like i said but you never know when ill need to! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Andy,Yeah your right, 0 to 10 on the turret[ie 10 clicks] at 100metres is 5cm of movement. That is 10 half centimetre clicks.At 200m one click will move impact one whole centimetre,at 400m one click two centimetres etc etc. Yards feet and inches and MOA do not have a place here at all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Andy,Yeah your right, 0 to 10 on the turret[ie 10 clicks] at 100metres is 5cm of movement. That is 10 half centimetre clicks.At 200m one click will move impact one whole centimetre,at 400m one click two centimetres etc etc. Yards feet and inches and MOA do not have a place here at all IMO. not idealy marked then whtever format you use!:-( when exbal tells me i have to adjsut to say 25cm I have to double it to number 50 as its marked on the turret! makes perfect sence! not lol my laser rang finder is in yards & im not changing it again!lol im happy to let exbal do the maths & wont worry one little bit about it as long as the bullet goes where its intended cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Ah! gotcha! your ranger is in yards,heaven help you.YOU are going to do your head in then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Ah! gotcha! your ranger is in yards,heaven help you.YOU are going to do your head in then. nahh it seems fine punching it in exball no diff then MOA other then the turrets read weird! I punch in yds it tells me wht to adjsut in cm's to "almost" match the turrets (gota X by 2 but hey ho) simple unless im right of the mark here! disapointed in the config of these turret wich ever way you look at it!:-( cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 nahh it seems fine punching it in exball no diff then MOA other then the turrets read weird! I punch in yds it tells me wht to adjsut in cm's to "almost" match the turrets (gota X by 2 but hey ho) simple unless im right of the mark here! disapointed in the config of these turret wich ever way you look at it!:-( cheers Andy Andy i know where your coming from in ref to say 300 yrd tgt exbal for you says 15cm so that means 30 clicks yeh ? now on my exbal it gives the straight clicks i need to come up ? and im either on tgt or 1 or 2 clicks diff up or down. onehole is correct in saying with ref to clicks,,0.05 cm per oe click so yes 10 clicks is 5cm at 100 mtrs...and 200 would 10 cm and so on Can you tell us what settings you have your exbal on,,,DOES IT HAVE CPHY ? DO NOT USE THE MOA SETTING where in UK are you Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Andy i know where your coming from in ref to say 300 yrd tgt exbal for you says 15cm so that means 30 clicks yeh ? now on my exbal it gives the straight clicks i need to come up ? and im either on tgt or 1 or 2 clicks diff up or down. onehole is correct in saying with ref to clicks,,0.05 cm per oe click so yes 10 clicks is 5cm at 100 mtrs...and 200 would 10 cm and so on Can you tell us what settings you have your exbal on,,,DOES IT HAVE CPHY ? DO NOT USE THE MOA SETTING where in UK are you Mick Hi Micky just set it as total click value & the turrets make much more sense now:-P thanks mate im in devon mate barnstaple cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi Micky just set it as total click value & the turrets make much more sense now:-P thanks mate im in devon mate barnstaple cheers Andy So you do have it set on CPHY and at 1/2 value ?? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 So you do have it set on CPHY and at 1/2 value ?? Mick Yes mate had it set like that wich gave total cm of adjsutment required! just changed it to show total clicks & it matches the turrets spot on now!:-) left it zereod @ 100yds & input range as yards as i cant see a reason to change it! exball does the maths & i dont need to change my ways at all! happy days! not sure ill get to try it before i go away thos looks a damn sight simpler now the pennys droped lol ANdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Yes mate had it set like that wich gave total cm of adjsutment required! just changed it to show total clicks & it matches the turrets spot on now!:-) left it zereod @ 100yds & input range as yards as i cant see a reason to change it! exball does the maths & i dont need to change my ways at all! happy days! not sure ill get to try it before i go away thos looks a damn sight simpler now the pennys droped lol ANdy Glad its all ok now..lol...smashing scopes mate sure you will be made up with it.what rifle you using it on ? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Glad its all ok now..lol...smashing scopes mate sure you will be made up with it.what rifle you using it on ? Mick Hi mick its on this one custom 243ai http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/And...pg&newest=1 this was several scopes ago cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi mickits on this one custom 243ai http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/And...pg&newest=1 this was several scopes ago cheers Andy Nice rifle mate..let me know how you get on with scope and exbal when you get out Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Nice rifle mate..let me know how you get on with scope and exbal when you get out Mick thanks MAte another Dasherman tack driver:-) should be fine as the only thing that will have changed is the scope adjsutment! at the end of the day exbal will jsut convet the measurments! prob wont be for about 3weeks now as of to egypt on tues but ill let you know! to busy to excape at mo! lagging the loft! joy! cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 thanks MAte another Dasherman tack driver:-) should be fine as the only thing that will have changed is the scope adjsutment! at the end of the day exbal will jsut convet the measurments! prob wont be for about 3weeks now as of to egypt on tues but ill let you know! to busy to excape at mo! lagging the loft! joy! cheers Andy Well im sure you will enjoy ur egypt hol i was there last yr on the cruise nile,,deffo go back. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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