20Tac Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Dave, This is not a mass market product - these are 'one off' items that are specially made to order only. The price depends on how many are made, and whether any are built at all. It depends on what size tube you have, baffles, threads etc. If anyone is interested all they have to do is pick up the phone and call George Balbino - I'm sure he would be happy to discuss any potential order. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Yep, i know that Andrew, we have one on order for a customer right now.Its a simple .308 muzzle mounted mod, with a 5/8 x 18 thread. I dont know the exact price, but i believe its in the £500 region. I simply wished to know [and obviously others too ] what a one off mod like Nick,s would cost. I remember the original discussions very well about these mods. I was one of the people who stated, as i believed, that this would be the case.These are very specialised things, and would never sell to the mass mod buying public, due to their cost. Obviously, due to the very small numbers in circulation, and being made.....i was right. i,m not having a dig at all, just simply wanting to know some figures. No-one will sell anything if the price is a secret. Yes i could ring George up, but this is a public forum, with a public test of an obviously excellent product. Lets have a public price eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager SA Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hi James The stats for this mod are detailed in my original post or a full spec is available on the QSM website. This mod is not infact being marketed and was infact desinged as a one off to attempt to achieve the ultimate in suppresion on a 20 calibre rifle which I think we have achieved. It just so happens that two of the people who were present during testing were so impressed that they have both ordered one. You say that you could easily make a mod just as good as the QSM 20/50 Ti out of stainless and 7075: How about you put your money where your mouth is and actually make one!!! Regards Nick. Nick Im not trying to start a pi**ing contest here all im saying is this moderator is being bounded around as the best thing since sliced bread and yes it looks the part...but for the sort of money we are talking I would want the moderation as quiet as a nats fart! Im sure thats what it does. As for putting my money where my mouth is...lets see what comes next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerman Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hi all, Some members have raised the issue of size and weight on the thread, and these obviously are very important considerations, as is cost. As highlighted by Nick and Andrew before, these large moderators were never intended for such small calibres, but there are those out there who are after only the very best in terms of suppression, to the detriment of other characteristics such as weight and size, and this moderator does just that. Had Nick called me at any other time, I would most certainly have told him that a custom .50BMG/.20 moderator was not a possibility. But as it happened I was in the middle of running a batch of .50BMG's for a weapons manufacturer, and as there was some spare titanium stock left I agreed to build a one-off unit for Nick and make another customer happy. The problem since then has been that all those who have seen Nick's combo in use, even including the competition, have been impressed by the suppression levels achieved and have come forward with orders for this unusual moderator. An mentioned by Baldie, there is an important correlation between size, mass, volume, manufacturing quality, tolerances and, I would argue, material. And this is where QSUK differs from most, if not all, other brands on the UK market. We have done the homework, the R&D, testing and have brought out innovative and unique designs, and this sometimes has taken many months and at a considerable cost until the ideal correlation was achieved. This is in stark contrast to some other makes on the market, which are basically copies of old, not-so-effective designs, with a new name slapped on and announced as a new product and the best things out there. While it is true that for a large number of shooters price is the most important consideration, I have no doubt that should Nick stick with this calibre going forward, he will be passing his custom moderator to his son as inheritance after a life of good use. How many moderators would he buy in that time frame given the number of rounds he puts through his rifle every week? As many would say "when you buy quality you only cry once." Now, for those who are after the smallest, lightest and most effective .20CF moderator, I will have a few .22CF moderators machined specifically for the smaller .20 cartridge in the next few weeks. They measure 6" long by 1.25" OD and weigh in at only 270 grams. Suppression levels should be around 26-30 depending on barrel length and ammunition used. The price for this mod is £385+carriage+VAT. The price for the custom .50BMG/.20CF moderator depends on the size of the batch that is being run. The unit cost for running a batch of 3 custom .20CF mods along with another batch of .300, .338 and .50BMG mods is £1,587.00 (inc. VAT). And finally for those who want a light over barrel option, we'll soon start manufacture of some options to suit the market. Regards to all, George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col48 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 50BMG mods is £1,587.00 (inc. VAT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Thanks for that George. Yep, that is a lot of money, but its a bespoke product, and bespoke products, whether guns, suits, bikes , etc are never cheap. The customer has to decide whether they are worth it, and if someone wants quite obviously the quietest moderator available today, then they have to pay the price, or pay less and accept second best. There is a moderator available to suit every pocket now, i would say. Variety, is the spice of life gents, and its nice to have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Many thanks for posting a price George, much appreciated. Maybe you should change your username to Dearman though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Only cry once, when I bought a £400 scope 20 years ago I cried all right about the price but NEVER regretted it. Still as good as new, over 20 years cost of ownership is £20 a year, cheap!!. That new light unit for the 20s is a real step forward, get an overbarrel cooking and you have a serious bit of kit. My 20 barrel is 27" long, to long for a muzzel thread only unit. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 We finally recieved our moderator for the customer, over the christmas break. I have to say that delivery and general messing about by the manufacturer were not good. This was not, however, George,s fault. He was always there at the end of a phone, or e-mail, and he sorted it out whilst on holiday. Just basic teething troubles i would guess. Its always a problem when you dont make the product yourself, and have to rely on other people. It would certainly not stop us ordering more if requested. The moderator ? I,ve never seen a finer piece of engineering.I had the bore scope down it, and its a maze of perfectly machined, perfectly fitted parts. Absolutely beautiful. It doesn,t feel mega light to me, but its certainly small, and not a lot bigger than a parker-hale rimfire mod. Does it work ? Oh yes. Its very quiet, and you cannot tell its on the gun. Proof of the pudding ? The owner shot 21 fallow as part of a cull in a park last week. He took 5 out of a group of 7 in one go. He,s absolutely delighted with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsm Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 A few pics of QSM 20 cal & equivalent ASE CBQ Not a lot of difference in suppression but you can hardly tell the QSM is on the end of the rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Looks really nice. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 They look really good, i just can't justify the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 If I had an 18-20 inch barrel on my 20 I would be very tempted but its 27", add another 6 inches or so for a moddy that is not overbarrel and its just to unweildy in a 4x4. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerman Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Baldie, Thanks for your impressions of the QSUK moderator. It is nice when people who really know what they are talking about take the time to write an unbiased post, like yours, as this will no doubt benefit those who come to this forum in search of such opinions. As you mentioned in your post, when you work in precision manufacturing, things hardly ever go according to plan, but it is reassuring when you are kept informed and in the end pleased with the end result. As you have seen, manufacturing precision components and then assembling and fine tuning kit is not an easy job at best the of the times, so when only minor things do not go according to plan we can count ourselves lucky. It was a pleasure dealing with you guys and I look forward to dealing with you again in the near future. Please ask your customer to send me a few pictures of his harvest! I will soon post a few pictures of the new titanium thread adaptor configuration. The user can now have a single moderator to suit different rifles of the same or smaller calibres with different threads. The moderators now come with an M18x1 tpi master thread and adaptors to suit M15x1, M14x1, 1/2" UNF, 1/2" UNEF, Blaser and Mauser interfaces as well. RPA, and other larger thread interfaces are also catered for through the use of a dedicated rear end cap. And all are in stock. The finish on the adaptors is our hard-wearing PVD coating. Best, George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Will the over barrel mod be available for all calibres? Can you give us any idea of specs, price, possible release date? ATB Moses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerman Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Not sure if the questions were directed at me, but here goes... No idea when an over barrel moderator would be coming out as it will require considerable R&D and testing. This is a design that we do not favour mainly on performance, but are looking at for the military market. The project is ready, so it will be a matter of finding a slot in production and carrying out extensive testing before releasing anything on the civilian market. Best, George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20Tac Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 If I had an 18-20 inch barrel on my 20 I would be very tempted but its 27", add another 6 inches or so for a moddy that is not overbarrel and its just to unweildy in a 4x4. A If you work out the fps lost cutting down your barrel to 20" it may seem a lot, but if you actually work out the trajectory difference at 300 yards you'll probably find it's not much more than 1 inch difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I would loose 30 fps per inch, so maybe 300 fps or 8.5%. Impacts at 300 wont be far adrift but I want to work it out a bit further than that this summer. I may well do as you suggest but for the time being it can stay as it is. Barrel like is only about 150 rounds so if it will take a rechamber then that might be the time to do it. a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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