stephentri Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi I have noticed that when I clean brass with the ultrasonic cleaner the inside of the necks almost appear rough, do any of you polish the inside after cleaning, is there any benefit in doing. Thanks Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Short and sweet: No and no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I use a 35 or 40 cal bisley bronze brush in cordless screwdriver to remove the carbon but I don't ultrasonic yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Popsbengo said: Short and sweet: No and no Can you prove it pops 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 59 minutes ago, No i deer said: Can you prove it pops 😁 yes I can but thanks for asking 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Bit of carbon in the neck helps the bullet to slip out easily..............if I clean my cases, I lube the inside of the necks with Lee die lube. Probably a waste of time, like cleaning the cases in the first place, but it makes me feel good.........😊 Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Cleaning cases? What’s that?😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I did say "if"..............😊 Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Re-Pete said: Bit of carbon in the neck helps the bullet to slip out easily..............if I clean my cases, I lube the inside of the necks with Lee die lube. Probably a waste of time, like cleaning the cases in the first place, but it makes me feel good.........😊 Pete My understanding is thus: If you have a bullet jammed in the lands then little more than a slip-fit is probably ok to achieve a good starting pressure for complete combustion. Otherwise, a "loose" or "slippy" fit is a bad idea as the bullet will move forward under initial combustion and starting pressures will not be high enough for proper and full combustion. This will lead to low and erratic MV and unburnt powder. A good consistent neck is what's wanted for accuracy. Polishing (and lub!) seems the wrong way to go to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I think consistency is the name of the game...........I've heard of american shooters who use a very loose neck, load long, and let the lands seat the bullet. I plan to try that in the not too distant. It should eliminate variations in neck tension. It'll also need a bit of load dev............ Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Some use dry lube in the neck for neck tension mandrels and seat the bullet on this dry lube that's still in the neck. I won't mention any names but I know someone who does this who recently chronied some ammo and had an ES of 0 fps and I seen the chrony reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMLE Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 hours ago, No i deer said: Some use dry lube in the neck for neck tension mandrels and seat the bullet on this dry lube that's still in the neck. I won't mention any names but I know someone who does this who recently chronied some ammo and had an ES of 0 fps and I seen the chrony reading That’s exactly what I do. I shoot for fun, a plinky plonker as Bradders used to say. But I enjoy shooting accurately and that method works for me. I get consistent neck tension, low sd and spread numbers on my home loads when I use my chrony. Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 hours ago, No i deer said: Some use dry lube in the neck for neck tension mandrels and seat the bullet on this dry lube that's still in the neck. I won't mention any names but I know someone who does this who recently chronied some ammo and had an ES of 0 fps and I seen the chrony reading I’ve been using dry lube and a neck mandrel for years, although I doubt if there’s any lube left after the mandrel has been in and out of the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 I too use a dry lube for the inside of the necks now I US clean. A little swipe of a cotton bud dipped in HbN (which I use for bullet coating) works well. Here’s a article on Accurate Shooter about this very issue: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/05/ultrasonic-cleaning-case-neck-friction-and-bullet-seating/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Interesting, but I'm unconvinced. U/S cleaning is followed by sizing is it not? The article completely skips over that. The pictures in the article are pre-sizing through a die I assume. Sizing operations require lubed necks. I'd like to see similar pictures after sizing using a button or a collet mandrel. Very hard steel (or TiN) button or mandrel burnishing the brass under great compressive force. As Brillo describes, I have also used a neck mandrel with dry lube - this is doing a similar burnishing as the sizing operation above. Surely spinning a brush in the brass will create annular scratches of a greater depth than the U/S surface erosion. If it's done before sizing it'll be subject to the same burnishing as I describe so no better than U/S I expect. I can't see there being any problem with a little dry lube on assembly of the bullet as long as neck tension (or bullet jam) is sufficient to achieve efficient starting conditions for combustion. I just don't think it's necessary and it's also possibly counter-productive in some circumstances. Getting back to the original post - Real world results are what counts. Try some experiments and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 hours ago, No i deer said: Some use dry lube in the neck for neck tension mandrels and seat the bullet on this dry lube that's still in the neck. I won't mention any names but I know someone who does this who recently chronied some ammo and had an ES of 0 fps and I seen the chrony reading does this person jam into the lands or jump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 I'm not 100 percent but I'd say jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 I've not inspected my brass with a magnifying glass but visually it looks clean/polished,it's not a real rigid brush and the bristles soon flatten down.i will post a photo of my current bronze brush and have a close look at the necks and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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