Scotch_egg Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 I am currently running a Schmidt and Bender PM11 ultra short 5-20X50. The official weight is 830g. It feels far heavier when mounted. It’s like rotational on bike wheels. I am running it on a lightweight rifle and it feels out of place. The rifle is used for deer stalking, fox control and range shooting. As such I am looking for a replacement. I am open to first focal plane or second focal plane. However It is an old argument that will be played out until the end of time; FFP v SFP. I can only see the reticle hash marks on full mag with FFP so don’t see the advantage of known reticle holdovers at lower mag. Therefore FFP isn’t a necessity for me My must have features are 700g or there abouts, dialable turrets and a mag range with a minimum of 15. The real issue is that I want a floating centre dot in the reticle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Mr Huevos, Was in the same situation a good while ago, but I was using the unltra reliable reliable Hubble at the time i.e. 5-25 PM2 (last design before the key team left S&B). Swapped to a March and did not find any draw backs (caveat - at this level it is down to the coatings your eyes like), so the two scopes you have option on are: FFP, 3-24 x 52, floating dot ret. illuminated or not, mil or moa (NB rets match turrets) or SFP 2.5-25 x 52, floating dot ret is one of many available, moa, illuminated or not Both of these scopes in any configuration are compact, simple zero stop 7 less than 700g T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucraft Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 http://marchscopes.com/tactical-3-24-x-52-ffp.html I would say this is going to be one of your best bets Scotch. Definitely high on my list. I think they do a sfp too. I am on a similar vibe, looking at a more compact, lighter package than my Khales. The Ultra Short is more compact but not a great deal lighter. There are always going to be compromises, you just have to work out where your going to make them. What Ret is on your Ultra Short? Can you see the dot on low mag or do you need the illumination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 True craft - agree, that is why I listed them T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Zeiss diavari 4-16x50 illuminated ret 60, windage and elevation turrets. £1200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted April 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I have seen the March scopes and was edging towards them. I think the SFP will suit me best with one of the centre dot reticles. I would really like to get hands on one of the 2.5-25X42 to see just how dark they are at full mag. As it would only be used during daylight on targets at full power I might just get away with it. Thanks for the offer Gary but the 4-16X50 isn’t quite what I’m looking for. I am currently using a Horus Tremor 2 reticle. Below 15 mag the floating centre dot isn’t large enough to see for me to use as a precise point of aim and the reticle looks more like a duplex. The illumination is very low. I have recently discovered that a brighter illumination module is available that may assist with the point of aim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy RV Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 How much dialable elevation do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Smaller nxs could be an option. Ive got a 3.5-15x50 mil/mil zero stop which is a fantastic scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted April 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 hours ago, lapua said: Smaller nxs could be an option. Ive got a 3.5-15x50 mil/mil zero stop which is a fantastic scope. Nice scope but it’s just as heavy as the ultra short and longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Scotch_egg said: Nice scope but it’s just as heavy as the ultra short and longer. You must be murder to go dress shopping with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Me Egg pm me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 How about the Leupold Mark 6, 3-18x44? Weight: 669 g, dialable turrets and both Tremor 2 and 3 reticles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Kahles 418i. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucraft Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Late said: Kahles 418i. ? No advantage over the Ultra Short and less mag. Lovely scope though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 20 hours ago, terryh said: Me Egg pm me Top man Terry 20 hours ago, Shuggy said: How about the Leupold Mark 6, 3-18x44? Weight: 669 g, dialable turrets and both Tremor 2 and 3 reticles. I will explore this option along with the Mark 5. I didn’t realise they were so light weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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