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17 HMR - has it a niche ?

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Currently I have a 22RF and a T3 223 and am looking to add a 17 Hornet as I feel it slots in nicely between the 2 for standard vermin  . . .. .  bunny, crow, pigeon etc. I can't help but think a 17 HMR fits somewhere between the 22RF and the Hornet and wondered if to get a slot on my ticket for the HMR aswell or would it be a complete waste - does the Hornet do what the HMR can but more to boot or is there a justifiable reason for a HMR? (Only reason I can think is the round price) Have spoke to a lot of vermin control professionals and get mixed reports, was wondering what the general 2 cents is from anyone that has either owned both in the past or perhaps uses both currently ? thanks ahead.

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Just get the 17 hornet, might cost a bit more for ammo but will be a better all round than the hmr, unless the cost of ammo is a real issue!! Or better still get a 17 fireball😃and reload for it.

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I have to agree with the above , get the hornet 👍 I have an old Bruno fox .22 hornet , it’s had a good few thousand rounds down it in its life time , but will still drop a Fox at 200 yards with a well aimed shot in the Bib  . And when it finally gives up which will be sooner rather than later it will be replaced with the modern day 17 hornet 

Both of the above are very good calibres , very easily moderated , and very under estimated. 

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It may under some very particular circumstances. If you have a closed certificate for example, land is more likely to be cleared for rim fire use than even the smallest of centre fire calibres. I've experienced this a couple of time, in which case an HMR  was pretty handy. If you don't reload then HMR is a lot cheaper (roughly 35p v £1 per shot for 17H?).
 

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(Only reason I can think is the round price)

If you reload 17H then I doubt there's much in it compared to HMR.

 

I have a 17H and I still kind of regret selling my old HMR for some reason I can't quite put my finger on...

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I have had both and still have 17hmr. Niche?  Don't know really but a question on hmr always gets negative feedback. Hornet was useful when lack of hmr ammo. Reloading can replicate hmr/wsm or better it and at same cost. Good factory ammo but cost has increased and low stock levels in rfds. Performance compared to factory 55gr 223. So why not have a 223 as factory ammo can be bought for less? Plus more suitable for range. Hmr works with 16" barrel on a lighter frame so nice package to carry, more choice of rifles, higher magazine capacity , easier to moderate with smaller mod and deemed suitable for more land. Bulk deals on ammo available and stocked by most rfds. Although sometimes not a choice of brand,  i think originally they were made by one manufacturer and all give adequate accuracy in a bog standard cz. Probably missed something but i think hmr is OK just not for every body. 

 

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I had one of the first 17HMR's in the UK and Met police went nuts as it was such fast round - until I presented the fact it was frangible.  I've had two.  I sold my last one 6 years ago due to poor ammunition - a fact which still exists on occasions today.  At 60 - 100 yards I dispatched over 400 foxes on a hill top pig farm in three years - head shots, three ran more than five feet.   The cost of ammunition - £14.00 per box did not bother me as 20 fags are a tenner!!!!!!

I recently purchased a stunning Weihrauch HW66 Jagd-Match in 17H having sold my .223.  100 rounds in and I have gone back to .223 (God it feels SO good)

The 17H is a great round.  As Richy rightly states, a rimfire (17HMR) is more likely to get clearance on smaller parcels of land / near houses than a CF.

My rifle was so quiet - Wildcat Panther mod - compared to the kerack of a 17HMR and no recoil with - pretty much the only available factory pills, Hornady 20gn V-max, it would shoot in a 50p at 100 yards.  I do not reload.

I do not see the point of the 17WSM.

Why sell the Hornet ?  On two of my fox perms, I personally do not consider 17H to be a confident round to shoot in windy valleys at 200 yards.  My opinion.  My comfort zone.  I'm much happier with a .223 with a 40gn V-max - or on Saturday shooting GECO 56gn into clover leafs at 100 and the ammunition / range of ammunition / availability is cheaper / better than 17H.  The .223 also covers me for deer as a bonus.

To answer your question - yes it does have a niche and a good one as a cheap 50 - 200 yard crow / rabbit rifle and 50 - 100 yard fox rifle.

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I was faced with the same dilemma as you I had a .223 Remington 700 and lethal for fox but I wanted a small vermin gun as well as the odd fox to 300yds. I bought a .17 hornet and put a digisite on it for evenings/night. Perfect in still or light wind, back to the .223 in blowy conditions or the .308 for the odd night foxing in really windy conditions. The choice was perfect for me - .22 rf .17hornet .223,  308.

i shall now replace the .308 for tikka/sako probably 

I use the heavier 20grain/25 grain when I can get the latter. MV of 3600, same as my load for the .223. 

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The HMR does have a niche as a volume point and shoot Rabbit rifle, the only issue round here at least is a distinct lack of Rabbits.  Good for short range Fox but I would say not past 75 yards and placement needs to be perfect.

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