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Worth a read...........

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@popsbengo ,as you brought up "Predictions" it appears the eu have some of their own,,,, or it could be just more straw clutching project fear type stuff??? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6639399/Brexit-leave-UK-unstable-decades-violence-streets-EU-secret-report-warns.html

seems to be all sweetness and content in france then does it.:wacko:

 

"eu intelligence" now there's two words I never thought I would see in one sentence same goes for "secret report"  yeah,,, in a national newspaper,????  I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Russians yet..  I hear Putin is allegedly behind it all.

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On 1/27/2019 at 4:24 PM, Popsbengo said:

For the record I don't think everyone who voted leave is a fool.  Well, I believe in representative democracy not a form of mob rule, for that is exactly what a referendum is. How can complex multilayered issues be properly presented in a society of sound bites and ranting news media?   I still contend that a goodly proportion of those that voted leave did so not out of any deep conviction or idealogical position but because they were daft enough to believe a bunch of twits putting lies on a big red bus.  I can respectfully disagree with those who made an informed judgement but why should I respect foolishness in believing self serving political lies?  I contend that the middle 10% will change their minds now they're properly informed (well, exposed to the arguments).  Ref 2 now please

Having said you don't believe in "The mob rule that is a referendum" how do you in all conscience ask for another? Unless your sort of democracy is of the kind where you keep asking the question until you get the answer you want and then shut down the debate?

David.

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Taking the pi$$ is all the jeering tory mob are good for............

Pete

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Worth a look is EU brexit interview with Dennis skinner MP for Bolsover,

makes a lot of sense whatever your political view ,and shows a refreshing honesty and insight,

"Westmonster Dennis skinner Eu brexit interview "

 

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Yep, he's a great MP..................pity he's the only one left now.

But, he has absolutely no more idea of what leaving the EU will mean in terms of jobs, infrastructure, and the simple cost of living, than the rest of the politicians from either side who are presently struggling to keep their seats on the gravy train.

It probably won't make a scrap of difference to the likes of rees-mogg, but I'm not too sure about our old friend Joe Public, the guy who can't afford a second home and servants, who doesn't drink champagne or have to commute at vast expense to hold a job down...............

Re-Pete

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Bad grammar there........should have put "and has to commute" instead of "doesn't have"....................

Pete

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On 1/24/2019 at 11:53 AM, VarmLR said:

Quite honestly?  These articles sicken me because they make out all Brexit supporters to be ill educated neanderthals who didn't know what they were voting for and are unwilling to reason.  That voters understood that no one person, let alone anyone putting a cross in the box, understands all the potential and real issues seems to have been conveniently forgotten. 

The princples at stake do matter to many of us, and the economic fallout is to be expected as it's the medium term penalty for most likely longer term gain but UK and EU politics are all like the economy, about short term greed and gain.  With the principles at stake, of course people are emotive and cannot be shaken, because belief in something isn't just Utopian, it's what is at stake as part of our identities and our way of life.  Who we are matters  and the nation has gone to war in the past to maintain those freedoms and identities.  I'm not saying anyone will go to war over Brexit, but as a set of driving principles, most voters have seen nothing but the sneering divisive face of corrupted Euro politics for years all engineered from the earliest of days to lead us to one single point...a Federal Sates of Europe.

There are as many arguments for leaving as for remaining, it's just that the easy option appeals to those who couldn't be arsed with the alternative.  Personally, I think it's immaterial what way people voted as on it's current course, the EU will most likely crash and burn within the next 5 to 10 years anyway and we'll be left pretty much in the same boat.  No-one has a crystal ball, but there's so much speculation and B/S flying around on all sides, you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise.  People wanted out of the EU and not out of Europe (another distinction conveniently forgotten) nor, ideally out of a common market.  The EU's end goal is full on Federalisation and loss of national identity, whatever claptrap they try to spin now.  Thanks to the likes of Bliar and subsequent politicians, we have been frogmarched right up to the front gates before coming to our senses, so whatever the future holds, I'd hope that it'll be a damned sight more organised and settled (no-matter what some of us would like to think)  than this train crash of a political and economic mess that we find ourselves in now.

Well said and nicely put.

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I recently said of Dennis Skinner:

"But, he has absolutely no more idea of what leaving the EU will mean in terms of jobs, infrastructure, and the simple cost of living, than the rest of the politicians from either side who are presently struggling to keep their seats on the gravy train."

The way things are going with the rise of the ultra-right in the EU, my comment is equally relevant if we stay in...............................sadly.

Re-Pete

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6 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

I recently said of Dennis Skinner:

"But, he has absolutely no more idea of what leaving the EU will mean in terms of jobs, infrastructure, and the simple cost of living, than the rest of the politicians from either side who are presently struggling to keep their seats on the gravy train."

The way things are going with the rise of the ultra-right in the EU, my comment is equally relevant if we stay in...............................sadly.

Re-Pete

I think that's probably the truth whatever we decided.  It's worrying though to note that some of the ultra-right leanings with some European countries are similar to those of 80 years ago.  This isn't though to be confused or deliberately (or otherwise) conflated by those holding strong pro-EU views in this country with those accused of being "far right" for wanting out of the whole mess. 

 

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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions.............."  Angry Myrtle's policy on immigration, for example ?

Pete

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