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1 hour ago, Re-Pete said:

" sorry you can't cherry pick,,, you gotta be in or out .:D "

Tweet this to mother Teresa.............please.

Re-Pete

I have no idea what this means? mother teresa died in '97, [I shall refrain from stating my opinion of her as I wish to avoid getting removed from the forum].

1 hour ago, Re-Pete said:

Make america great again ???  Nationalism at it's most toxic.........................not wanted here, thanks...........

https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

Pete

 

have you been lunchtime  drinking? your posting subjects seem a bit random? ;)

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7 minutes ago, Gluv said:

If anything other than "No Deal" is your wish then you are nothing other than a brain washed sock puppet .....your political masters have you firmly under the boot where you belong🙁

Stop watching the bullshit on the news .....you probably want to lay off the tap water too 👍

Personally I don't care if I have to eat nettle soup for the next twenty years , it will be worth the cost !

Gluv🇬🇧

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1 hour ago, Reloader54 said:

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+1 With bells on.

What is unbelievable is remoaners challenging the views of those who want out of the EU as "unbelievable".  The sooner we're out the better.  At least it'll focus minds on the business of getting on with things and hopefully put a stop to the toxicity of the whole thing which sees friend pitted against friend and family member against family member.  That's one of the more tragic side effects, not whether our bleeding share value is up or down .  As to the comments about people being made redundant...people have been made redundant for less over the past few decades...any excuse to "streamline" under the way many companies have been run.  Of course we all have sympathy for those it'll negatively affect in this respect, and my own business will be hit hard as will my income which is marginal as it is, but I genuinely think that the UK will be better off longer term.  I couldn't give a fig who agrees or not because I didn't vote for what others believed, I voted for what I believed after thinking long and hard (the present day EU issues were thought about long before we were given the option of voting) .

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1 hour ago, Gluv said:

If anything other than "No Deal" is your wish then you are nothing other than a brain washed sock puppet .....your political masters have you firmly under the boot where you belong🙁

Stop watching the bullshit on the news .....you probably want to lay off the tap water too 👍

Personally I don't care if I have to eat nettle soup for the next twenty years , it will be worth the cost !

Gluv🇬🇧

Oh dear.

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6 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

VarmLR:  I've read the article and I can't see the left bias you see. Nowhere in the piece does it suggest Brexit or Remain as a preferred choice.  I think it makes a valid argument that we tend to confirmation bias of what we already believe (Catch 22 makes the point).  It's a fact that Brexit was misrepresented to the people by those politicians with personal axes to grind - evidenced by the current state of affairs.

Brexit is many things to many people,  it's an "act of faith" as there's precious little evidence in favour and plenty of evidence to support the status-quo.  As far as the EU imploding, what do you base that on?  It's more likely that we will have confrontation with Russia and that's a unifying force.

 

Better late than never!  Yes, I' hadn't read the full article to be fair, just skimmed through it and I do agree with what the article says about your first point except it's also true (here's the balance) to say that the reasons against Brexit and the campaigning was also misrepresented and continues to be with project fear growing by the day.  Project fear has done as much as anything to hit share prices which ebb and flow on speculation.

On your second point, it's more than an act of faith.  Some see it as an act of necessity.  The status quo was never going to remain the status quo for long.  Europe and EU funding is in major crisis and at the very least we'd have lost the last of our concessions and paid a hell of a lot more if looking at just the financial side of things.  It was never though all about just finances.  If you cannot see where Italy, Hungary and Poland may be heading, if you cannot see the very real potential for the EU to fragment or implode with the growing strength of feeling against the EU's continued federalisation plans, then perhaps asking the question "what do you base that on" says that you haven't opened your eyes as to what's happening elsewhere amongst our European neighbours?  Also it's extremely naive to think that because we voted to leave that this weakens European resolve to stay united on our shared security concerns.  We'd have likely been more at risk had we voted for and taken part in the hapless venture that is the EU joint strike force.  Ask anyone here with experience in logistics and the way that the armed forces work.  The main concern if Russia kicks off is that the EU will fail to unite and will be too busy bickering as to who will lead. NATO exists with or without the Commission.  

Sorry, but I really cannot see that any of your arguments hold up to scrutiny any more than you see that mine do.

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VarmLR,  well argued however you do make some mighty assumptions about my personal understanding of the issues.  I'm not one to build a case on a straw man so please don't be assuming I know little to nothing about the state of European politics.  Of course Italy, Hungary and, less so, Poland are in turmoil. So is Greece.  My case for voting Remain is a 'warts and all' recognition of being more influential within the EU club and the short to medium term economic impact that we don't need to take a hit on. For sure there's a LOT wrong with the EU but I still think on balance we're better off in.  I think you over emphasis the "threat" of a federal Europe and just how would the EU force a leading member to adopt the Euro?  Not likely.

With regard to my point about Russian aggression, they (the Russians) thrive on economic and political turmoil, making it more likely that we are faced with an escalation leading to confrontation.  I do hope NATO survives the orange idiot's term.

 

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4 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

VarmLR,  well argued however you do make some mighty assumptions about my personal understanding of the issues.  I'm not one to build a case on a straw man so please don't be assuming I know little to nothing about the state of European politics.  Of course Italy, Hungary and, less so, Poland are in turmoil. So is Greece.  My case for voting Remain is a 'warts and all' recognition of being more influential within the EU club and the short to medium term economic impact that we don't need to take a hit on. For sure there's a LOT wrong with the EU but I still think on balance we're better off in.  I think you over emphasis the "threat" of a federal Europe and just how would the EU force a leading member to adopt the Euro?  Not likely.

With regard to my point about Russian aggression, they (the Russians) thrive on economic and political turmoil, making it more likely that we are faced with an escalation leading to confrontation.  I do hope NATO survives the orange idiot's term.

 

But Remain lost , and the government is trying to overturn the democratic vote of the people 😡

I can make sure that passenger window remains down all the way to Eskdale you know ! 😂

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11 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

VarmLR,  well argued however you do make some mighty assumptions about my personal understanding of the issues.  I'm not one to build a case on a straw man so please don't be assuming I know little to nothing about the state of European politics.  Of course Italy, Hungary and, less so, Poland are in turmoil. So is Greece.  My case for voting Remain is a 'warts and all' recognition of being more influential within the EU club and the short to medium term economic impact that we don't need to take a hit on. For sure there's a LOT wrong with the EU but I still think on balance we're better off in.  I think you over emphasis the "threat" of a federal Europe and just how would the EU force a leading member to adopt the Euro?  Not likely.

With regard to my point about Russian aggression, they (the Russians) thrive on economic and political turmoil, making it more likely that we are faced with an escalation leading to confrontation.  I do hope NATO survives the orange idiot's term.

 

Ah yes those aggressive Russians with their aggressive foreign policy 🤔

 

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1 minute ago, Gluv said:

But Remain lost , and the government is trying to overturn the democratic vote of the people 😡

I can make sure that passenger window remains down all the way to Eskdale you know ! 😂

Don't worry, I'll wrap up warm 😘    The Government isn't trying to overturn the vote, the House of Commons maybe. I look forward to Ref2  putting it all to bed....     Oh dear, I think I may have pulled the pin.....

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1 minute ago, Popsbengo said:

Don't worry, I'll wrap up warm 😘    The Government isn't trying to overturn the vote, the House of Commons maybe. I look forward to Ref2  putting it all to bed....     Oh dear, I think I may have pulled the pin.....

Haha, but what would happen if we voted out again ? Best of five ?🤔

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2 minutes ago, Gluv said:

Haha, but what would happen if we voted out again ? Best of five ?🤔

Right now, I'd go for that over a no-deal Brexit !    Don't forget we've had two votes (75 & 16) so best of three ??

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Only one thing is a certainty in this whole clusterspiral staircase, that referendum on 23 june, back in 2016 and everything post that day has done something many suspected,, in political terms the genie is well out of the bottle, and can never be returned.

whichever way this ends, there will be many who will never regain their belief in democracy. and will choose the political wastelands over those who failed them for so long.

to quote an old saying,, "There are those who think their government is looking out for their best interests,,,,, And there are those that think."

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10 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

Right now, I'd go for that over a no-deal Brexit !    Don't forget we've had two votes (75 & 16) so best of three ??

Ah , 1975 , I was a bit young then but didn't we vote into a common market ? Rather different to the totalitarian block we're in now that is trying to rewrite history and destroy our culture 😐

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1 minute ago, Reloader54 said:

Only one thing is a certainty in this whole clusterspiral staircase, that referendum on 23 june, back in 2016 and everything post that day has done something many suspected,, in political terms the genie is well out of the bottle, and can never be returned.

whichever way this ends, there will be many who will never regain their belief in democracy. and will choose the political wastelands over those who failed them for so long.

to quote an old saying,, "There are those who think their government is looking out for their best interests,,,,, And there are those that think."

The police arrest you for thinking these days ....it's all turning very 1984 🙁🇬🇧

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13 minutes ago, Gluv said:

The police arrest you for thinking these days ....it's all turning very 1984 🙁🇬🇧

Oh I do hope so,,, I'll identify as a Maori [I'm sure I have the required amount of tattoos] and with a little luck they'll send me home;)

New Zealand looks much better prospect than the chickenchit multicutural hell hole island this place is becoming. and there's no pikeys either,:lol:  I'm assured the hunting is as fantastic as the scenery.

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1 hour ago, Reloader54 said:

Oh I do hope so,,, I'll identify as a Maori [I'm sure I have the required amount of tattoos] and with a little luck they'll send me home;)

New Zealand looks much better prospect than the chickenchit multicutural hell hole island this place is becoming. and there's no pikeys either,:lol:  I'm assured the hunting is as fantastic as the scenery.

Your hypocrisy is staggering.  Do you think New Zealand would want you?

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2 hours ago, Gluv said:

Ah , 1975 , I was a bit young then but didn't we vote into a common market ? Rather different to the totalitarian block we're in now that is trying to rewrite history and destroy our culture 😐

What culture Glov, you're from Cannock 🤣😂

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Well if nothing else, my comments have led to a lively debate........😎

Pete

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19 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

Your hypocrisy is staggering.  Do you think New Zealand would want you?

of course, they would appreciate my honesty. and my field needs tending. 

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14 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

Make america great again ???  Nationalism at it's most toxic.........................not wanted here, thanks...........

https://www.indy100.com/article/maga-hat-boys-covington-catholic-harassing-women-washington-nathan-phillips-twitter-video-8739981

Pete

 

A pack of lies, skewered in the honest media:

“...hours of additional video footage exonerated the students, who neither instigated the confrontation nor responded in kind to Phillips’s rude provocations. In reality, the confrontation began when the Hebrew Israelites, an eccentric group of black supremacists, heckled the students as “crackers,” “f-----s,” and “incest kids.” The students responded by reciting school spirit cheers amongst themselves. As the students cheered, Phillips approached one of the teenagers, cameramen in tow, and proceeded to bang a drum mere inches from his face.”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covington-kids-can-teach-a-lot-to-rash-adults-in-media-politics-who-condemned-first-got-facts-later

Philips, the Indian self-described “Vietnam war veteran” and “Marine Recon Ranger” was found to be an alcoholic and professional rent-a-mob type. He served only in the Marine Reserve, went AWOL several times, never left the USA and his trade was refrigerator electrician.

maximus otter

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Blimey....................so the drummer, a hebrew israelite native american "walt", was heckling the MAGA cap wearing white catholic high school kids, and not the other way round...............?

Pete

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I voted leave with my heart but my head said remain I own seven companies and a farm I can sell up and go were ever I want New Zealand  included. I can't believe the dogs dinner May has made of leaving. The EU its doomed long term Germany is only just managing then there's France and the way they have gone so never mind the state of all the miner players who are broke!Uninployment is very high in Europe the lack of border controls are seeing economic migrants flooding in and Crosing to were ever they see fit.who can blame them I'd do the same in thier position.

i employ serval EU citizens they don't have a clue what's going to happen I value them all highly and hope I can carry on employing them.

well why vote out then I hear you say? Because not keeping the EU Citzens all ready here and those that want to come and work would be stupid and I thought we had enough sense to do that.

Would I vote leave again? I don't know!!

 

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On the first Question Time with Fiona Bruce presenting, the only panel member who made any sense was a comedian, Nish Kumar, when he said that no matter what either side says, no-one has any idea what will happen if we leave with or without a deal.................

Pete

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16 hours ago, maximus otter said:

A pack of lies, skewered in the honest media:

“...hours of additional video footage exonerated the students, who neither instigated the confrontation nor responded in kind to Phillips’s rude provocations. In reality, the confrontation began when the Hebrew Israelites, an eccentric group of black supremacists, heckled the students as “crackers,” “f-----s,” and “incest kids.” The students responded by reciting school spirit cheers amongst themselves. As the students cheered, Phillips approached one of the teenagers, cameramen in tow, and proceeded to bang a drum mere inches from his face.”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covington-kids-can-teach-a-lot-to-rash-adults-in-media-politics-who-condemned-first-got-facts-later

Philips, the Indian self-described “Vietnam war veteran” and “Marine Recon Ranger” was found to be an alcoholic and professional rent-a-mob type. He served only in the Marine Reserve, went AWOL several times, never left the USA and his trade was refrigerator electrician.

maximus otter

i'm not sure I'd quote Foxnews as a source!  According to a number of news sources it was the Hebrew Israelites that started the whole thing but, kids being kids, they enthusiastically got stuck in with shouting stuff back. The chap Phillips was trying to defuse in his own way - a cluster-fluk if there ever was one.  The New York Times has a good and fair piece (if your bothered) to check.

Not sure shouting biased shite at each other achieves anything useful apart from raising blood pressure.

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43 minutes ago, Re-Pete said:

On the first Question Time with Fiona Bruce presenting, the only panel member who made any sense was a comedian, Nish Kumar, when he said that no matter what either side says, no-one has any idea what will happen if we leave with or without a deal.................

Pete

+1👍

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