Pat Allen Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Hi guys I am new to the forum and wondering if anyone has any info on case annealing machines that don’t cost the earth? Fed up doing it manually . Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106uk Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Typing the words "annealing machine" in the search box would have given you this, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 53 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Hi, currently looking at the salt annealing machine, Ballistic Recreational over in Canada does them. Should look on his web site . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Nick - salt bath annealing? It's already arrived at Diggle. Check out http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=2882 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 53 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 53 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Great read . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Paul - who wrote the article - will give you all the info on obtaining the salts etc. next time you're at Diggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Any info on dangers of 'splatter' from contaminants or moisture on the cases? I read somewhere that this is a major hazard with molten salts solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 hours ago, DaveT said: Any info on dangers of 'splatter' from contaminants or moisture on the cases? I read somewhere that this is a major hazard with molten salts solutions. Moisture would indeed be dangerous. I've been around molten salt processes with work (many years ago). Moisture would explosively vaporise, sending super hot salts flying - ouch! Good idea to have plenty of fresh air ventilation too. I'm going to give this method a go - already ordered the Lee melt pot and salts. Figure I'll make my own dipping frame as I have the worship kit and a thermocouple gauge. I think I will invest in a face shield visor from Arco to go with my welders apron and gloves. More to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted December 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 It’s only dangerous if you apply water to the salt pot . If you use a plate as per ballistic recreations with dedicated holes in it you should have no problems as this shields you from the liquid salts. Always wear eye protection though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 The formulation in target shooter is incorrect ! I’ve confirmed this with Gary ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I suggest anyone looking into this looks and researched it ! Target shooter article has incorrect information ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengo Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, Pat Allen said: I suggest anyone looking into this looks and researched it ! Target shooter article has incorrect information ! What information is incorrect? And what have you been told is the correct information, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 The combination of salts on targetshooter article is not what is specified by ballistic recreations in Canada ! I have contacted Gary and I will not put the combination on here . I suggest you contact him yourself . I take no responsibility but the mixes do not match . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I've asked the author to check the combinations - thanks for bringing this to my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Looks like we got our nitrates and nitrites confused. Article now corrected. Here's the correct version - lifted direct from Gary's e-mail: POTASSIUM NITRATE: 50% BY MASS SODIUM NITRITE: 45% BY MASS SODIUM NITRATE: 5% BY MASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 That's very timely 😟, I've just taken delivery of the three salts from APC. It's a good reminder to not trust published information until you've checked and checked again. Thanks Pat ! By the way, although Sodium Nitrite is used in foods, it's a poison even in small amounts so be careful with hygiene. APC send out the MSDS when ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 The combination of salts on targetshooter article is not what is specified by ballistic recreations in Canada ! I have contacted Gary and I will not put the combination on here . I suggest you contact him yourself . I take no responsibility but the mixes do not match . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Yes I’ve ordered the salts in the wrong volumes as well ! But better to be safe than sorry !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Would it not be prudent to put a notice at the top of the site that a revision has been made? I don’t know if the original mixture would be harmful in anyway when heated ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 What possible advantage can molten salt mixture have over gas torch or induction when annealing? Apart from improving the human gene pool when it goes wrong, that is.............. As a long time industrial chemist, I'd advise great caution if planning to work with this............. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pat Allen said: Would it not be prudent to put a notice at the top of the site that a revision has been made? I don’t know if the original mixture would be harmful in anyway when heated ? I have done. I've also asked the author to check the incorrect mix - he has done this - nothing harmful happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Ok . Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Well I found the video, and I have to say, it does look easy, and cheap................I hadn't heard of it before, so no doubt I'll be giving it a go sometime soon. My warnings were based on fusing various salts in iron crucibles in the dear dead days of "wet" chemical analysis.......... Is it still possible to get hold of potassium nitrate easily without a swat team arriving and asking what you want it for? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Allen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Yes no problem from AC Pure ! It’s not that volatile ! Good to see you looked into it as your last post was not favourable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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