brown dog Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I can't find a single 'proper' walking boot on the market that doesn't have a goretex/sympatex/whatevertex liner. What the hell's happened?! Anyone know of any brands offering walking boots, less than crampon B1/2/3 types, that are just plain old leather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtyvoats Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Lundhags. But pricey. https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/brands/lundhags/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, fourtyvoats said: Lundhags. But pricey. https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/brands/lundhags/ They're half rubber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtyvoats Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 True, but are the best boot I have ever used for stalking in any condition. They are all leather inside(the versions I have) , covered with rubber on the outside of the foot. They survive very well in wet, boggy conditions and are not sweaty in dry conditions . Add extra socks in winter and they are good for all conditions. I have Haix, Meindl, Lowa, Altberg, Scarpa, Danner and issue military boots, but the ones I reach for if I know the going will be rough and mucky are the Lundhags. I am not in the trade and have no commercial interest in any manufacturer. I am just an accidental collector of boots(amongst other things). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Non gtx Scarpas?Don't suppose you're a size 9?! 😃 I'm actually looking for a pair of boots for doing a high alpine trek early next summer. Mostly snow-free. For me, I found long ago that gtx etc in boots worn for extended periods leads to foot rot. You mention the issue boots - they're made by Altberg - they offer several non gtx boots in their mil line, but the civ line is all sympatex lined. Lowa:gtx Berghaus:weathertite Karrimor:someshite Scarpa are all gtx less than their first 'serious' B1 boot, which is unlined; but heavier than I want. I'm losing hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorlander Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Danner may have something to suit you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 No mention of Goretex here........ https://www.scarpa.co.uk/mountain/sl-active/ Re-Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That bald headed Geordie Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Try Scarpa Deltas. There are 2 versions, 1 with Goretex and 1 with no Goretex and just plain old leather with no waterproof lining. They are B0 rated (non crampon compatible) but still tough and rigid enough to stick on a C1 flexi crampon in emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorlander Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Full leather lined inner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtyvoats Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 The best bargains currently available in the UK, selling for between £30 and £80, are the boots that came available after the "PECOC" trials for new UK army kit. If you look on ebay or similar you will find many offers of these boots, Manufacturers include YDS, Haix, Meindl and Altberg. There are a number of variations one of which is "Boots, Combat High Liability" abbreviated to BCHL on labels, These are non GoreTex. You will also find another variation of these boots described as "Boots, Combat, Cold Wet Weather abbeviated to BCCW. These are Gore tex lined. You want the BCHL variation if you do not want Gtex. IN my view, Haix are the best of these.Sorry but all my boots are size 45(10 1/2). otherwise I could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Chaps, many thanks for all the ideas - I'm following up on the non gtx scarpa deltas (I get the Google impression that the non gtx may have been discontinued). The sl actives are a bit too much boot - stiffened for crampons etc. .. concurrently, I also wandered over to the stores this morning to order-in a new pair of altbergs - which I will reevaluate in a new light and increased sense of appreciation, now that I've learnt that virtually all modern civ boots are lined with poly bags! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 People took the piss when I raised it. But look at the socks you wear. I wear gore-tex lowa every day. They were issued and not first choice in summer I must admit. The game changer for me has been Kirkland merino socks. 72% merino which even the large brands don’t come near. I bought some surplus Altbergs, if only they did them in black... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 BD There ‘must’ be something here that works? : https://www.polimil.co.uk/footwear T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Lots of Lowa’s without Gortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Check out the Arcteryx boots spendy but may suit your purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rug12 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Definitely Lundhags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcampbellsmith Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 10 hours ago, Rug12 said: Definitely Lundhags. Yes, really 'good' boots. The right sole came off my pair of Lundhags. Eventually they went back for a full refund. Regards JCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 Lundhags are a rubber welly with a leather upper sewn on! They were 'de rigeur' as the 'must have' ski march boots back in the late 80s. I 'get' their construction for arctic melt, or working on boggy ground, but they wouldn't be a breathable choice for a summer alpine walking boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 My last two pairs of Lundhag Jubilee both seperated the upper leather from the lower rubber after 18 months use.I wore lundhags for nearly 20 years.I wear lowas now.They work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob57 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 I've got a pair of harkila, worn them nearly every day for about 3 years now and love em, never get sweaty feet,John Norris are doing mountain hunter gtx 10" half price at the moment. They do have a gore- Tex lining which says feet stay 100% dry and comfortable , I'd agree with that☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 Have a look at ALTBERG boots in richmond north yorks . I have had a pair of the gamekeeper boots for the last 5 years and am very happy ,this summer also got a pair of their military tabbing boots which are very light and highly breathable so you dont get sweaty feet in our hot summer we just had .these boots are therefore not waterproof . lots of military boots to choose from including canvas designs . plenty of choice in widths too ,if your up north they will measure and check fit just like the old days and give advice as to what is best for your circumstances Good luck ps also like my lundhags for the winter with thicker socks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Breathable, good grip and no liners https://www.footart.co.uk/crocs/crocs-offroad-sport-clog.php?colour=1&size=8&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI16vu8ZT83gIV4r3tCh14sgxhEAQYCyABEgKOyPD_BwE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 A friend in fashion always says crocs have holes in to let your dignity drain out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Ha! Outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.P. Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 A little late to the party but I LOVE my pair(s) of Meindl Lugano walking shoes. They're the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn - and are leather lined, no membrane. Meindl also manufacture the Bernina 2 walking boots, which again, are leather lined without a membrane. Lugano https://www.openair.co.uk/footwear-c6/mens-c124/shoes-c131/meindl-lugano-leather-walking-shoes-mens-p50 Bernina 2 https://www.openair.co.uk/footwear-c6/mens-c124/boots-c132/meindl-bernina-2-walking-boots-p51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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