RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 I have just received my Schmidt and Bender PM2 to fit to my Accuracy International, however to make sure that the job is done well on a precision piece of kit, I am asking for recommendations for someone to do this, any riflesmiths to get this set up. I have been looking at YouTube videos etc that were recommended but would prefer someone who has alot of experience doing this to do the job right. Look forward to hearing recommendations. Based near Hereford and Malvern Hills. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcampbellsmith Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 I will watch this thread with interest. Regards JCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Not sure I'm fully understanding the question. Is this just asking how to mount a PM2 on an AI using, presumably, an AI one piece mount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ok sorry if I was not clear, I have a spur mount and a 5-25x56 which needs mounting to my Accuracy International AT rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 I’m not sure which gunsmiths are near to you in your area but it is a relatively simple task to mount the scope and rail to the AI action Just follow the instructions within the Sphur and S&B packaging would be a starting point and make sure the reticule is vertical and you have sufficient eye relied and “sight” within the occular lens. I’m assumjng your rifle has a picatinny rail and not dovetail ,,,,? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Ronin said: I’m not sure which gunsmiths are near to you in your area but it is a relatively simple task to mount the scope and rail to the AI action Just follow the instructions within the Sphur and S&B packaging would be a starting point and make sure the reticule is vertical and you have sufficient eye relied and “sight” within the occular lens. I’m assumjng your rifle has a picatinny rail and not dovetail ,,,,? Picatinny rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ok its straightforward enough with a few tools and patience basically ; ubdo the scope body clamps on the mount and with the mount orientated the correct way (if a inclined rail the thicker end to the rear) place the scope in the mount make sure no part of the scope other than the body tube is touching the mount and there is clearance under the saddle of the scope and mount Loosly fit the body cap and screws then set the scope so the cross hairs are vertical - easy to do with a set of feeler guages in bettween the base of the scope saddle and upper surface of mount beneath the scope saddle Once scope rotated to be vertical nip up the scope clamp screws as directed in the sphur manial Then place scope and mount in picatinny slots of action having loosened the clamp enough to allow the mount to drop in place Position mount so you have a proper sight picture and eye relied when you hold the rifle standing and at prone Make sure the mount is positioned so the recoil forces do not move the mount (push the mount forward in picatinny till slots surfaces are touching Then nip the side clamps up check sight picture , eye relied and scope oroentation Tighten up all screws to recommended torque setting (inch pounds) Check sight picture, eye relied and orientation again you should be good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Ronin said: Ok its straightforward enough with a few tools and patience basically ; ubdo the scope body clamps on the mount and with the mount orientated the correct way (if a inclined rail the thicker end to the rear) place the scope in the mount make sure no part of the scope other than the body tube is touching the mount and there is clearance under the saddle of the scope and mount Loosly fit the body cap and screws then set the scope so the cross hairs are vertical - easy to do with a set of feeler guages in bettween the base of the scope saddle and upper surface of mount beneath the scope saddle Once scope rotated to be vertical nip up the scope clamp screws as directed in the sphur manial Then place scope and mount in picatinny slots of action having loosened the clamp enough to allow the mount to drop in place Position mount so you have a proper sight picture and eye relied when you hold the rifle standing and at prone Make sure the mount is positioned so the recoil forces do not move the mount (push the mount forward in picatinny till slots surfaces are touching Then nip the side clamps up check sight picture , eye relied and scope oroentation Tighten up all screws to recommended torque setting (inch pounds) Check sight picture, eye relied and orientation again you should be good to go You lost me at the feeler gauges, alot of it makes sense! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Hope it helps numb typing on phone keypad but I’m sure you will get them idea feeler guages bettween base of saddle (flat bottom ) and upper surface of mount directly above will give you two parallel surfaces that can be confirmed as parallel with feeler guage of appropriate thickness which in turn will orientate cross hairs to be aligned vertically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 looked at the feeler gauges they come in different sizes 9 minutes ago, Ronin said: Hope it helps numb typing on phone keypad but I’m sure you will get them idea feeler guages bettween base of saddle (flat bottom ) and upper surface of mount directly above will give you two parallel surfaces that can be confirmed as parallel with feeler guage of appropriate thickness which in turn will orientate cross hairs to be aligned vertically Ok, i will look at that thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Doesn’t the Spuhr come with a levelling wedge? Both mine did. Using Ronin’s instructions above, slide the wedge in to the groove machined in the base to give a flat surface for the bottom of the PMII saddle. Fit scope, remove wedge, simples.... Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, TC said: Doesn’t the Spuhr come with a levelling wedge? Both mine did. Using Ronin’s instructions above, slide the wedge in to the groove machined in the base to give a flat surface for the bottom of the PMII saddle. Fit scope, remove wedge, simples.... Tony Yes it does, seems to simple just wanting to get everything level and correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Use the wedge...the bottom of the S&B turret housing is flat, so can use the wedge against that to ensure the scope is correctly levelled within the Spuhr mount. I'd also check against a plumb line. Simple idea and requires no additional tools (other than a spirit level, though the Spuhr mounds do have a bubble in them which can be used too!). Simple vid from YouTube showing you how: L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 So far done the eye relief and scope in rings used wedge all looked of, tightened up then looked at bubble on mount and noticed rifle needed to be canted left to bring the bubble straight then noticed retical was canted, argghh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Check and check again during tightening sequence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Absolutely. Torque down ring screws in opposites to each other to the point where you can't easily rotate the scope. Now check scope alignment and keep tightening screws down in sequence as before but now doing just a turn or two. Keep checking level between each tightening turns to ensure scope isn't rotating on you as you're making the final torquing turns. Btw, you should be torquing the scope rings and the mount to the picatinny rail appropriately. Rings: 15-25 inch pounds Mount to picatinny rail: 45 inch pounds http://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/03/22/rifle-screw-torque-settings-specifications/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treedave Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 As above, they do number the screws to attach to the Picatinny, in the order to be tightened. It’s not so clear for the screws on the rings. Don’t worry about getting it wrong, as Ronin said, keep checking as you go along. You can even put a small spirit level on the top turret if it helps spotting movement. I’d only tighten the screws up to the right settings once your happy it’s right in all directions. see attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAW Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Treedave said: As above, they do number the screws to attach to the Picatinny, in the order to be tightened. It’s not so clear for the screws on the rings. Don’t worry about getting it wrong, as Ronin said, keep checking as you go along. You can even put a small spirit level on the top turret if it helps spotting movement. I’d only tighten the screws up to the right settings once your happy it’s right in all directions. see attached Okay, I was tightening up 5 and 6, 3 and 4 etc, anyway retical is still not straight, I used the plum bob thought it would all be good, when I look at the bubble on the sphur now the ret is off set. Enough this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezmobile Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Keep plugging away mate, but be aware. Once in a blue moon a scope will have a slightly canted reticle as its been set in the scope wrongly ( though I can't believe S&B would have that!!). I recently had to send a Vortex Golden Eagle back to get it exchanged as the reticle was totally pi**ed inside the tube. I thought it was me at first, but the boys at Fultons confirmed it. When everything was perfectly squared, the reticle was out by about 10 degrees. The good news was I got a new one and its super duper! All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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