serik Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Does anyone have any specific creedmoor loads due to the powder ban coming into force soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Lots in the 'Handloading' area of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serik Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Many Thanks will take a look, was just wondering what powders will now be used as varget will be banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 There's been lots of discussion regarding Viht N150 & N160, RS52, RS60 & RS62, and IMR Enduron powders 4451 & 4166. All of the above are Reach compliant but what your gun / load prefers will come down to testing. For a Varget replacement in the 6.5 Creedmoor, I believe the consensus is RS52/62, IMR 4166. They're all 'higher energy' powders and so may burn hotter than Varget (don't quote me on this bit) but you'll get the velocity. The others in the list are slower burning and aren't higher energy (with the exception of IMR 4451 which is a higher energy), so your barrel may last a bit longer if you're pushing your loads to the limit & shooting multiple long strings of fire. again, lots of excellent info in the Handloading section by others more qualified on those powders & cartridge than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serik Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Many thanks for the reply I will be taking a look later this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Email Reload Swiss with your barrel length/twist and bullet plus seating depth and they will send you some QuickLoad predictions as a starter for 10. Many people find with 139 to 142gr bullets that they find a good load between 42 and 43 grains using RS62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I bought Viht N150. After buying it and reading some forum posts, I thought i'd just wasted £75 - £80.... Yet I've found N150 to be a great powder for the 6.5CM. I use it with various loads. Using Lapua brass, Fed Gold primers. With the 139 grain Scenar's, and a load of 39 grains of N150 gave me .4" groups at 100 yards. I achieved just shy of 2800 fps. Obviously, all rifles are different, even the same make, so you would have to start a lot lower than 39 grains, and build the load up to remain safe. Chaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106uk Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I stopped at the Viht recommended max load of 35.5gr with the 139 Scenars and Nosler 140s, I was getting around 2600 to 2620fps and around .5" at 100yds, that's when I have a good day and manage to hold the TacA1 steady enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezmobile Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Thanks for the Creed loading info, having just bought one, but what's the story about the "Powder Ban"? This is the first I've heard of it. Can anyone give me any info please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106uk Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Pinched off FB-UK and a couple of other places, "With regard to propellants, the REACH proposals will be implemented as of 01.06.2018, this means any non-compliant products cannot be imported into the country / EU on or after that date. Anything arrived and through customs before that date is OK and can still enter the distribution / retail chain. Edgar Brothers are still ordering affected products and hopes to get as much as possible in before the axe falls, and no doubt odd tins will still turn up in retailers' cupboard in 20 (50?) years time given the number of ancient steel gray-painted tins of ICI Nobel powders around that have somehow survived. The problem Edgars have is that they already have literally thousands of pounds of Hodgdon powder on back order whose chances of eventual delivery even without the REACH cut-off is small to nil. (Let's be honest and just say nil!) So, although some more is going to arrive, it won't last long. All European manufactured grades are OK - so Viht, Nitrochemie (Reload Swiss), Alliant ATK Reloder rifle grades (all made by Bofors and Nitrochemie), Ramshot (manufactured by PB Clermont in Belgium, part of the SNPE Eurenco group); SNPE Vectan are compliant. Losing their CE certification as of 1st June this year are: All Hodgdon ADI Manufactured extruded grades (also includes two IMR branded grades - 8208 XBR and Trail Boss), so H4198 through to H1000 and Retumbo 'gone'. All General Dynamics St. Marks Powder Florida factory grades bar maybe a couple - all Winchester powders and nearly all Hodgdon 'spherical' powders are non-compliant. Hodgdon Lil Gun is compliant, and there is a question mark re the most recent introduction - H. CFE223. So, H335, BL-C(2), H414 and so-called 'Hybrid' powders made by St Marks (H100V and a few more), H. Super and Lever ... formance spherical powders will no longer be imported from the middle of next year. All 'legacy' IMR powders made by General Dynamics Canada, in Valleyfield, Quebec are non-compliant, ie the traditional grades made by the Du Pont Corporation in the USA and taken to Canada under new ownership are non-compliant. Ie IMR-4198 through to IMR-7828 and including many old favourites such as 3031, 4895, and 4064. GD Canada has introduced five new 'green' pistol / revolver grades and four rifle grades that are all REACH compliant, although not all may have been CE certified under the new standards yet. In rifle propellants, that's the new IMR 'Enduron' quartet - and I would hope that this number will be expanded but have no hard information as to whether that is a possibility. The Endurons are: IMR-4166 (H4895 / VarGet replacement); 4451 (vice IMR/H4350); 4955 (vice IMR-4831/H4831); 7977 (vice IMR-7828/H1000). 4166, 4451, and 7977 are CE certified and available now - having tried them, I'm impressed and reckon they will fill many gaps. IMR-4955 has only recently been introduced and hasn't got here yet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezmobile Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Thanks for the Creed loading info, having just bought one, but what's the story about the "Powder Ban"? This is the first I've heard of it. Can anyone give me any info please Cheers for that Phaedra. I know it sounds stupid, but that really was the first I'd heard of this latest thing to be banned. Christ almighty, everyone's at it. I wonder how long it'll be before the wonderful mayor for London will will get onto this bandwagon and get his daggers out for us lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serik Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Many thanks for all the good replies and options offered for an alternative powder use in 6.5 creedmoor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serik Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, ezmobile said: Thanks for the Creed loading info, having just bought one, but what's the story about the "Powder Ban"? This is the first I've heard of it. Can anyone give me any info please Cheers for that Phaedra. I know it sounds stupid, but that really was the first I'd heard of this latest thing to be banned. Christ almighty, everyone's at it. I wonder how long it'll be before the wonderful mayor for London will will get onto this bandwagon and get his daggers out for us lot? The Mayor is already thinking of banning all 30 cal and above ? why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 How about banning this thread from the Tactical Competition forum and moving it to its rightful place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hancock Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Going to increase my Meds. I was following with interest and thought this was in the Handloading section ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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