brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Playing with my 22, I'm quite struck by the amount of gunge that gets blown back onto the bolt face etc. I've convinced myself that this is due my moderator causing the increased barrel pressure to dwell slightly longer than would be the case with a muzzle brake or 'naked' muzzle. I'm sure I've seen devices rather like open-front hybrid moderator/muzzle brakes, not classed as moderators, that direct noise toward the tgt (and away from the shooter) -and which, I presume, won't cause the same pressure dwell. Ring any bells with anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds1 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Called a pig brake I think in the USA. Also made a n cz - have one on my 9mm AR with 6.5 inch barrel. Same principle - direct blowback, works well with no undue crap in the chamber or lower. Think of it as a single chamber with a cone. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxVRZotMscwfRjI4NHFVMlpHOTA https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxVRZotMscwfT3huX1gxeEExTGM OTOH you could use a still air tube - did that on my dta 16 inch barrel and it was effective at directing noise down range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 David, I have it in my head that those single cone brakes are designed to intensify barrel pressure on short barrels (?) Still air tube? Something like this? (Just bodged it together to try; empty SAK tube, normal AR15 flash thingy, polymorph, just waiting for it to harden!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 David, I have it in my head that those single cone brakes are designed to intensify barrel pressure on short barrels (?) Still air tube? Something like this? (Just bodged it together to try; empty SAK tube, normal AR15 flash thingy, polymorph, just waiting for it to harden!) 20170829_120556.jpg 20170829_120551.jpg 20170829_120611.jpg 20170829_120950.jpg Damn! 2 shots with that hurt my ears more than the AR15 muzzle thingy on its own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Back to the drawing board. Different idea hardening: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds1 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Matt, google vz59. They use a cone with no chamber. I will see later if I have some video of my vz59 being shot. I have a spare cone lying around. I could measure thread size. if it is what you are trying to do I will post to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Thanks, David, love to give it a go, but 99% it'll be metric! Just tried this with and without flash thing - I think, if anything, it intensified the noise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I think, next idea will be empty SAK on a nut (rather than flash thing) and a scouring pad rolled inside the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds1 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 The only other thing that I have tried the vz59 cone on is an AK47. This was to reduce flash for NVD use. It seemed to work well enough. I think the SAK tube is very workable if you play around with internal coatings - something rubberised or maybe foam pipe lagging tube. May not be durable but worth a try if you use an alloy ring spacer for the first inch or two to absorb most of the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 If you can get your hands on a Husher moderator, they are just a hollow can so could be used without the front end on or with the front end on but the exit hole enlarged maybe ? I have one with a 1 x 20 unf thread that you would be welcome to play with for a while until you get sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I've no idea if you could draw a parallel for your needs but, would the muzzle of a Bren gun give you an idea of profile and shape etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 You might want to try a 'bloop tube'. Your open ended SAK was the right approach, but probably too short. Most commercial bloop tubes are at least 6 inches long. For your application, I would try the longest tube that is still practical in length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 You might want to try a 'bloop tube'. Your open ended SAK was the right approach, but probably too short. Most commercial bloop tubes are at least 6 inches long. For your application, I would try the longest tube that is still practical in length. Thanks, Shuggy. What sort of diameter would you suggest for this application? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Thanks, Shuggy. What sort of diameter would you suggest for this application? Most are sized to fit 0.22 target barrels, so about 22mm diameter by 150mm long? 200mm long might be OK size wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 My Feinwerkbau 2700 came with such a device. It's primarily to push the foresight tunnel further forward increasing the sight radius. It does however alter the report of the rifle considerably from the shooters perspective. Without it, there is the usual snap sound and with it, it's more of a quiet poink noise. Mine is 180mm long with a 22mm diameter. A friend has one on his Anschutz and because one of his clubs requires moderators and he rightly refuses to screw cut a £3000 match barrel, he sticks a couple of cleaning patches over the front with tape. These act like the wipes you get in a Welrod and lessen the noise to the point where his club is OK with it and it doesn't affect accuracy. They need replacing after 20 or so shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Most are sized to fit 0.22 target barrels, so about 22mm diameter by 150mm long? 200mm long might be OK size wise. My Feinwerkbau 2700 came with such a device. It's primarily to push the foresight tunnel further forward increasing the sight radius. It does however alter the report of the rifle considerably from the shooters perspective. Without it, there is the usual snap sound and with it, it's more of a quiet poink noise. Mine is 180mm long with a 22mm diameter. A friend has one on his Anschutz and because one of his clubs requires moderators and he rightly refuses to screw cut a £3000 match barrel, he sticks a couple of cleaning patches over the front with tape. These act like the wipes you get in a Welrod and lessen the noise to the point where his club is OK with it and it doesn't affect accuracy. They need replacing after 20 or so shots. Thanks, both ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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