MrCetrizine Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Politicians don't run anything anyway, businesses run the world and they'll all carry on regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I chose not to vote for pretty much those reasons and am happy with my decision It should be law to vote like in Aussie, there are plenty of politicians who would be pleased to see your business and the likes closed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 It should be law to vote like in Aussie, there are plenty of politicians who would be pleased to your business and the likes closed down. I don't see why I should be made to vote for anyone I don't believe in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Aussies who don't like any candidates deliberately spoil their ballot paper, sometimes in hilarious fashion. The spoiled papers are recorded and it lets politicians know how many people hate them all. Edited for evidence..... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=funny+australia+spoiled+ballots&safe=off&client=tablet-android-google&prmd=niv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0xcuSv7HUAhWMDcAKHVcbAkAQ_AUICigC&biw=768&bih=1024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 That's pretty much my view on it. This election was the only time in my life I've contemplated not voting, I'd liken the experience to being stood in front of a field full of sh it and being asked to pick my favourite turd. A collection of thoroughly dishonest and unrespectable people right across the spectrum. Whatever, happens, no one will starve, no towns will burn to the ground.....and the sun will, indeed, still rise I spent a while over the weeks trying to make my mind up. But all turds would be hard to swallow, regardless of shape and colour, so i didn't vote.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Spectacular voter apathy and yet those that choose not to vote seem to be the most vocal whingers? The single most amazing take from the whole election is how one lying, terrorist sympathising, scum bag labour leader has mobilised the seemingly gullible younger voters with the groundless promise of unlimited funds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Spectacular voter apathy and yet those that choose not to vote seem to be the most vocal whingers? The single most amazing take from the whole election is how one lying, terrorist sympathising, scum bag labour leader has mobilised the seemingly gullible younger voters with the groundless promise of unlimited funds Top prize on that. How the hell did he do it? I said to my wife that no one with any common sense would believe he could pay for those promises, so common sense obviously went out of the window for thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Why would anyone involved with guns, shooting, country pursuits, field sports etc not want to vote? and not vote Tory!? Fe ck ing Jezza and Sturgeon get their way you'll all be wishing you'd voted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Spectacular voter apathy and yet those that choose not to vote seem to be the most vocal whingers? The single most amazing take from the whole election is how one lying, terrorist sympathising, scum bag labour leader has mobilised the seemingly gullible younger voters with the groundless promise of unlimited funds +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Why would anyone involved with guns, shooting, country pursuits, field sports etc not want to vote? and vote not Tory!? Fe ck ing Jezza and Sturgeon get their way you'll all be wishing you'd voted! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 For me, anyone who didn't struggle with voting, didn't look at the policies - as an instinctive conservative, I was confused to find myself finding most of Labour's policies attractive, whilst finding Conservative policies almost universally repellent: I don't fancy putting each of my kids into £60K debt as they set out, I don't fancy having a sh it retirement, I don't fancy not passing a legacy to my brats, I don't fancy never seeing policemen as I travel about, I don't fancy having a sh it NHS, I don't fancy seeing nurses, coppers and other public servants paid sh it - and I don't accept that there aren't simple ways of paying for it: eg I can't imagine a single person in the country would begrudge paying an extra 1p income tax if that funded the NHS and its staff. I also had a defining 'wake up' moment when chatting to someone: 'but that fekker, Corbyn will cut the Armed Forces' to which the answer was: 'the conservatives already have'.. and I suddenly realised, in my instinctive keenness to see Labour as the bogeymen, that truth of the Tory decimation of the Forces had somehow crept past my consciousness - somehow I'd mentally pigeon-holed it as 'austerity' rather than 'Conservative'. If you had any idea how thin the Forces have become under the conservatives, you'd be horrified, the Army's size has been shrunk by the tens of thousands over the last decade, and we can't even fill that reduced size. Training is frequently and regularly being cancelled/abandoned (I mean, whole professional courses being deleted and whole unit and formation training exercises being cancelled) because there isn't enough money. We've even been forced to change the definition of trained strength (ie forced to lie) to make the Army appear bigger than it is. FFS, we even have less tanks than Switzerland! The Conservatives aren't the pro-Forces, pro-Police party that we all grew up with. Both have been destroyed on the Conservative watch. If I'd been 18, Labour would have been a total no-brainer. What swayed me was a matter of personalities; I abhor the terrorist-toadying britain-hating trotskyists (and I never fail to be amazed at how the revisionist version of their personal histories have been willingly swallowed by labourites), and I simply couldn't not vote against them being at the helm. If Labour hadn't been headed by reinvented scum such as Corbyn, McDonnell et al ('principled men' - WTF?!) I think they'd have got my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 +1 on almost all that Socket to 'em,nicely. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 No voter apathy from me. I wasn't that I couldn't be bothered, more I made the decision to vote for neither of the main parties, leaders personalities are why we vote in particular ways. Neither of them do it for me. Corbyn is a commie clown, May is not a mandated leader who has lost sight of everything.....if she ever had it. She's the one that called this election to satisfy her own ego. Nobody else wanted it......we've just had an election 2 years ago, have had the Brexit referendum, and the people of N Ireland are sick and tired of having one election after another. Her head is so far up her own arse she can taste the toothpaste The Tories are only slightly less Socialist than Labour, but get this......there was a time when people kept their political opinions to themselves and never bullied anyone into a particular way of voting, nor criticised or chastised hem for taking a different stance I'm more than happy with my choice. The one thing with shooters is that they think there's only one subject that's important.....guns and shooting. Lastly, everything is temporary. If you think living in your Tory Utopia is permanent then think again....at some point in maybe the next 10 years the Tories will lose and Labour will win That's just the way it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus otter Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 My choice here was left, lefter, leftest or UKIP. Despite my local MP having an unassailable majority I voted UKIP, just to let the lying, thieving slag know that he didn't have it all his own way. Where can I buy that T-shirt I saw a few years ago which read: Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required. maximus otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That bald headed Geordie Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 During my 20s I voted Labour because I really believed in them, but soon realised that I felt that I was basically voting for the Communist party. I was in the Royal Navy (when we had some semblance of one, just) I felt that the Conservatives would maintain our Armed Forces and voted for them ever since, but it was all a load of b*llocks. The Conservatives have now decimated our Army, Navy and Air Force to the point that it would be difficult to fight our way out of a soggy paper bag without the help of Belgium. I did vote Conservative again this time around as they seemed to be the most polished of all the turds out there. But they are all lying b*stards and all politicians have let this country down. The smiles of Jezza (Comrade Corbyn) who thought that he had actually won the election, reminded me of the smile of Neville Chamberlain on his return from Germany with a piece of toilet paper with Herr Hitler's scribble on it. Detestable little man, but especially after finding out that he had been bonking that oink of a lady politician Ms Abbott! Rant over. Now where is that strong piece of rope and I know there is a tree strong enough just at the bottom of my garden for the lot of them. Think I will reload some ammo today as therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzarM1 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 topsocketbottomsocket.jpg For me, anyone who didn't struggle with voting, didn't look at the policies - as an instinctive conservative, I was confused to find myself finding most of Labour's policies attractive, whilst finding Conservative policies almost universally repellent: I don't fancy putting each of my kids into £60K debt as they set out, I don't fancy having a sh it retirement, I don't fancy not passing a legacy to my brats, I don't fancy never seeing policemen as I travel about, I don't fancy having a sh it NHS, I don't fancy seeing nurses, coppers and other public servants paid sh it - and I don't accept that there aren't simple ways of paying for it: eg I can't imagine a single person in the country would begrudge paying an extra 1p income tax if that funded the NHS and its staff. I also had a defining 'wake up' moment when chatting to someone: 'but that fekker, Corbyn will cut the Armed Forces' to which the answer was: 'the conservatives already have'.. and I suddenly realised, in my instinctive keenness to see Labour as the bogeymen, that truth of the Tory decimation of the Forces had somehow crept past my consciousness - somehow I'd mentally pigeon-holed it as 'austerity' rather than 'Conservative'. If you had any idea how thin the Forces have become under the conservatives, you'd be horrified, the Army's size has been shrunk by the tens of thousands over the last decade, and we can't even fill that reduced size. Training is frequently and regularly being cancelled/abandoned (I mean, whole professional courses being deleted and whole unit and formation training exercises being cancelled) because there isn't enough money. We've even been forced to change the definition of trained strength (ie forced to lie) to make the Army appear bigger than it is. FFS, we even have less tanks than Switzerland! The Conservatives aren't the pro-Forces, pro-Police party that we all grew up with. Both have been destroyed on the Conservative watch. If I'd been 18, Labour would have been a total no-brainer. What swayed me was a matter of personalities; I abhor the terrorist-toadying britain-hating trotskyists (and I never fail to be amazed at how the revisionist version of their personal histories have been willingly swallowed by labourites), and I simply couldn't not vote against them being at the helm. If Labour hadn't been headed by reinvented scum such as Corbyn, McDonnell et al ('principled men' - WTF?!) I think they'd have got my vote. Pretty much sums it up IMHO . My better half has worked in the NHS for over thirty years and cant wait for retirement ,reasons Bureaucraacy ,cuts ,lack of support and staff ,ergo morale in the floor. I dare say the NHS is not alone in this experience. I could never vote for Corbyn apart from everything he says, he is a traitor and Abbott a dangerous blubbering buffoon . Unfortunately no UKIP in my area but one certainty May has no clear mandate to continue bleeding our country dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus otter Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 ...cant wait for retirement ,reasons...cuts... Here are the numbers. I can't see where the cuts happened: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/maximusotter/UK%20public%20expenditure%20taxation%20politics%202002-2017_zpsibnapisa.png?t=1497004985 Here's total public expenditure for 2017, showing that the NHS is doing pretty damn well at 18% of total, second only to pensions: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/ukgs_line.php?title=Total%20Spending&year=1990_2020&sname=&units=b&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&spending0=200.90_218.20_236.20_259.73_271.54_289.02_304.33_308.37_318.43_332.65_340.80_366.09_389.07_420.48_455.07_491.80_523.51_549.40_582.23_633.81_673.10_714.34_720.87_739.80_745.40_756.11_761.91_784.06_796.70_813.69_822.40&legend=&source=a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_e_g_g_g_g The NHS is, in my opinion, a major part of the problem. We have grown accustomed to solving issues by throwing money at them. The Health Service is like a cuckoo in a sparrow's nest: constantly squealing for more and more as the sparrows starve. It either needs serious rationalisation, or to be broken up and a system of personal health insurance instituted. Neither will happen, of course, because the NHS has become the closest to a god we have in modern secular Britain, and any politician who approached it with a pair of secateurs would be blasted into eternal darkness. maximus otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 To those who voted Labour to spite the Tories or due to the manifestos being more empathetic with the average punter: The policies on the Labour Manifesto are ideology, and ideology that whilst more attractive, warranted (I read the manifestos) is pie in the sky in terms of deliverability, un-funded and will quickly subside into just another pile of lies that labour can't and won't deliver on. It was a cynical manifesto designed to bring in the votes of the young and the disaffected but read deeper and there's no substance to the reality of making them happen. UKIP would have got my vote based on the manifestos alone, and I wish now that I had voted for them. Theirs seemed the most pragmatic, the most universally social minded in terms of protecting the more vulnerable in society but I am ashamed to say that I voted tactically and voted Tories (I loathe everything about the current Tory government) because I didn't want that brainless, pro-IRA, far left marxist and his loony left contingency to get anywhere near the door of number 10. You think we're in shtoock now? It would be nothing compared with allowing the current labour lot in. Our bargaining power would be far less than it currently is, we'd be raped by the EU and there's no guarantee that they'd put a penny more into our security. I lost friends in N Ireland. I am appalled that a Marxist, IRA flag waiving commie scumbag is at the head of one of our main political parties. "How the hell have we got ourselves into this mess"? is the question resonating with me. We have a whole political spectrum of totally un-electable people in parliament. Where have all the decent human beings and big political guns gone? Our secularised, ever more PC , multicultural society has bred a whole new generation of lying "win at any cost" self serving arrogant politicians none of whom seem to give a fig for our national identity or well being. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Tory utopia? Don't know where you got that from Bradders. But the ' I don't like any of them so I could't be bothered to vote' doesn't/hasn't improved the system has it? BD's previous post pretty well sums up my view point on it to although I was always aware of the cuts under the Tories - with first hand experience of cuts in the emergency services its hard not to be. However that being said I was also equally aware of massive inefficiencies and system manipulation so some reform was desperately needed, just not the massive cuts we've received and will continue to have to meet. Labours answer to all this of course is tax tax tax and more tax on companies and the large corporations. But recognise this. Every single public worker, soldier, sailor, airmen, police officer, nurse, doctor, civil servant, Firefighter, paramedic etc etc wages are paid for from revenue generated from direct or indirect taxation. They are all indispensable roles and jobs and they all pay NI and income tax but that only enters the system to be recycled elsewhere. The vast majority of those people in those jobs work extremely hard and professionally to deliver a service to the country but by the very nature of their jobs the vast majority produce no 'new money' into our economy. It is the companies and large corporations that actually generate the meaningful income, the export sales and a huge amount of employment yet these same companies an corporations are the ones the idiot Labourites would target for extra taxes????? This on the very brink of Brexit when we need as a country to be seen as an attractive proposition to global companies. Thoughts of student grants, loans and cost of further education really pales in significance when compared to the real issues especially when you consider that those same students would probably pay dearly for their 'free' further education when they start their working life, that's assuming they choose to stay in this country.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzarM1 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Here are the numbers. I can't see where the cuts happened: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/maximusotter/UK%20public%20expenditure%20taxation%20politics%202002-2017_zpsibnapisa.png?t=1497004985 Here's total public expenditure for 2017, showing that the NHS is doing pretty damn well at 18% of total, second only to pensions: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/ukgs_line.php?title=Total%20Spending&year=1990_2020&sname=&units=b&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&spending0=200.90_218.20_236.20_259.73_271.54_289.02_304.33_308.37_318.43_332.65_340.80_366.09_389.07_420.48_455.07_491.80_523.51_549.40_582.23_633.81_673.10_714.34_720.87_739.80_745.40_756.11_761.91_784.06_796.70_813.69_822.40&legend=&source=a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_e_g_g_g_g The NHS is, in my opinion, a major part of the problem. We have grown accustomed to solving issues by throwing money at them. The Health Service is like a cuckoo in a sparrow's nest: constantly squealing for more and more as the sparrows starve. It either needs serious rationalisation, or to be broken up and a system of personal health insurance instituted. Neither will happen, of course, because the NHS has become the closest to a god we have in modern secular Britain, and any politician who approached it with a pair of secateurs would be blasted into eternal darkness. maximus otter Cuts involve staff either not being replaced and workload spread over already overworked people for starters .IMHO the major parts of the problem are a top heavy bureaucratic multi tier management system.. medical tourism ,paying out for translators at £100 a time for people that either cant speak English or choose not to bring a person with them that can,who then don't turn up but the translator still has to be paid.... I could go on . I do agree that throwing money at a problem is not necessarily the correct solution though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ha! "This guy mouthed "terrorist sympathiser" behind Corbyn... https://t.co/jdg3v3vJkK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I wonder if anyone will do that to May, considering the background of the Tories new bed fellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Timeline? Reality? That's cheap, and you know it. Next you'll be adding weight to the Labour revisionism that has Corbyn as a contributor to The Good Friday agreement, as opposed to the simple professional agitator who had fe kk all to do with any peace initiatives at all -Zero, Zip - but simply enjoyed getting a woodie every time he and his replusive Britain-hating trot buddies cosied up to active terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breacher Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 How can the UK Govt remain a neutral broker of a peace deal when one of the warring factions political wings is in coalition with them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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