maltbuck Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Good evening, Currently have a 6.5x47 in build. Specs will be 28" heavy varmint, BAT action, Ballard Low Boy type laminate stock. Shortly about to be chambered, and I am weighing my options regarding reamers, - either way it will be a no neck turn. My preference will be the 123gr Scenar, or the 130gr Berger VLD, just wondering if those in the know have a definite preference and the reasons for that? I presume the Scenar will be easier to keep a regular supply with. Thank you in advance, MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I've used 123 Scenars and 130 Norma Diamonds in mine, and there's not a lot to choose between them performancewise. However, the Scenars at 278 Euro's/1000 are considerably cheaper. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 More important is what the barrel likes. The 123 Scenar is a very accommodating design whilst some barrels / chambers don't take to VLDs. Try both and see which produces smaller groups. There isn't such a large difference in BCs that you'll see much difference there unless you fancy some top-level competitive shooting at 800 yards and beyond. I have heard from some shorter distance 6.5X47L users that the new 120gn Scenar-L is a 'cracker'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I must say, I like the 120gn Scenar L in my 6.5x47 - but I only use them for McQueen - 200 - 300yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247sniper Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 140 Amax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Too heavy for 6.5x47.......... H/man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Think the likes of SiSnipe would disagree with you on that Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6mmBR Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Also the Berger 140 hybrid is a great performer. It has an excellent BC and works well out to 1000 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvet Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 any feedback on the 123g Amax, looking for something more frangible than the scenars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 While mine really prefers the Scenars, it does shoot well with the 123 A-Max. Way cheaper than the Scenars here. Same doesn't apply to the 105s in my 6x47L unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 any feedback on the 123g Amax, looking for something more frangible than the scenars I use the 123 amax, very frangiable. Excellent deer bullet if major trauma and quick death is your thing. Reccomended to me by Chris Howard of the BDS and confirmed as deer legal in England on the advanced deer managers course by the same organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Mine seems to like them all - 120 grain SMKs, 123 grain Scenars, 139 grain Scenars, 130 grain Berger VLDs but the top performer is the 120 grain Berger BTHP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGYT Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 use 140 SGK SPBT at the moment got some 130 SGK HPBT to try as well at the show A Max and V max are to be phased out for the new ELD-X and ELD match but will be a while before 6.5 gets Run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247sniper Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Think the likes of SiSnipe would disagree with you on that Pete Lol absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Offroad Gary, can you point me towards the BDS confirmation regarding the legal use of Amax on Deer. Presume they have documented guidelines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I would like to see some documentary evidence from the home office. The BDS do not write law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose243 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I used to shoot the lapua 139 s through mine powered by elcho 17 or whatever it's called now , really worked well even at 1000 yards but had something like 34 Moa drop I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvet Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I would like to see some documentary evidence from the home office. The BDS do not write law. Quite right, they are not the RSPCA after all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvet Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I use the 123 amax, very frangiable. Excellent deer bullet if major trauma and quick death is your thing. Reccomended to me by Chris Howard of the BDS and confirmed as deer legal in England on the advanced deer managers course by the same organisation. Thanks for that, exactly the sort of thing I was after. Basically my 6.5 mainly gets used at various rifle (zeroing) shoots rather than any sort of serious competition , I have noticed a few more ricochets with the scenars than other bullets so would like a more frangible projectile that will maintain the accuracy and do a decent job on Roe and fox when necessary. I have loaded some for an OCW test so will see how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Baldie, absolutely but I'd also like to see the BDS ' confirmed as Deer legal' guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltbuck Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Thank you for all the replies. As I thought it will be a question of the barrel telling me which of the two, i.e. 123 scenar or 130 Berger VLD, it was just the riflesmith offering me the option of having it chambered by either a reamer more suited to the VLD or one more suited to the scenar. The good news looks to be that the 6.5x47 has multiple accurate options! ATB, MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 For what it's worth, and I can only say this from my own experience with my two '47's, one was specifically chambered for the Scenar and he other I don't know what reamer was used but they both allow use of both the Scenar 123 and 139 grain AND the 130 VLD. Therefore I would suggest that if you chamber it for the Scenar you'll cover a lot of options but not the other way around. I'm sure a few 'Smiths' on here will either support that or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGYT Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I would like to see some documentary evidence from the home office. The BDS do not write law. Documented in the Deer act So is Amax Soft nose or hollow point http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/54/schedule/2 SCHEDULE 2[/size] Prohibited firearms and ammunition Firearms 1Any smooth-bore gun. 2Any rifle having a calibre of less than .240 inches or a muzzle energy of less than 2,305 joules (1,700 foot pounds). PROSPECTIVE 3Any air gun, air rifle or air pistol. Ammunition 4Any cartridge for use in a smooth-bore gun. 5Any bullet for use in a rifle other than a soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Offroad Gary, can you point me towards the BDS confirmation regarding the legal use of Amax on Deer. Presume they have documented guidelines? Mike,i suggest you take 3 days off work, pay your fees's and enjoy the course like I did. I don't think its fair to distribute their material, they are a charity after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Interesting conundrum ! If Amax is legal for shooting deer then by definition it's 'expanding' under the 'deer act' - yes/no? If 'yes' then it would need to be entered onto your FAC and only sold to you if you had permission to squire expanding bullets/ammunition in your FAC - yes/no?? Think this has been a subject of significant discussion before? T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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