Strangely Brown Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I may have the opportunity of obtaining a S&B 3-12x50 PM 1 scope. As yet unseen but I wondered if anybody on this forum has owned one in the past? My thoughts are that a 30mm tube will not be as bright as the current 34mm offering, but what of the optics??? It will be put on my AR15 for CSR in practical class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 There were a few being peddled about 3 years ago if I remember correctly. They were about £500 and not a patch on the pm11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Mick, they're exactly the same as a normal hunting S&B 3-12x50 - just with BDC turrets. Had one as my first scope. Very nice; but best to think of it as a normal S&B with better turrets. I don't think tube diam has any effect on light transmission, just on the space avail for turret mechanical movement (ie greater mechanical adjustment range). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 It would/will be good to put a PM 1 & 2 side by side to see any difference. If the same as the hunting scope then it will be more than good enough for CSR. Thanks for the replys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 It would/will be good to put a PM 1 & 2 side by side to see any difference. If the same as the hunting scope then it will be more than good enough for CSR. Thanks for the replys! Ideal for hunting Fig 11's then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Ideal for hunting Fig 11's then It should do the job a treat; I believe young Frankie uses an S&B 3-12x50, albeit a PMII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 It should do the job a treat; I believe young Frankie uses an S&B 3-12x50, albeit a PMII. Fred too, and Brian I think There's a few more inc Greenie My new Schmidt should be with me by the end of the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Fred too, and Brian I think There's a few more inc Greenie My new Schmidt should be with me by the end of the month Will that be a 1-8 short dot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Will that be a 1-8 short dot? One of them, yes There's quite a few different ones, but I'm having one custom built with 1/4 moa turrets in Pantone with c/w adjustments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIlswell Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 There were two different commercial versions of the PM 3-12x50. One was an aluminium tube with bdc turret elevation from 100 to 500 yards (i.e. similar spec to the lesser mag PM scopes). The other was a milspec version with a steel tube and elevation to 1000 yards. The milspec version featured the AI style reticle (mildot with ranging stadia). I had the milspec version and also have the PMii 3-12x50. The glass on both PM and PMii versions is excellent; I'd say marginally better light gathering on the PMii version but the PM is an excellent scope too. See relevant pages below from the 1995 SuB sales brochure for the PM range which highlight reticles and other specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Allswell, Cracking post, thanks mucka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 There were two different commercial versions of the PM 3-12x50. One was an aluminium tube with bdc turret elevation from 100 to 500 yards (i.e. similar spec to the lesser mag PM scopes). The other was a milspec version with a steel tube and elevation to 1000 yards. The milspec version featured the AI style reticle (mildot with ranging stadia). I had the milspec version and also have the PMii 3-12x50. The glass on both PM and PMii versions is excellent; I'd say marginally better light gathering on the PMii version but the PM is an excellent scope too. See relevant pages below from the 1995 SuB sales brochure for the PM range which highlight reticles and other specs. Great info - hadn't appreciated the steel / Al difference; my first was mil with AI ret; always wondered why it was shiny compared to the hunting models! Using the weights in that brochure, just grabbed this out of the cupboard: 20 ounces - so it's a Police Al version - a useful easy way to tell which is which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIlswell Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 The milspec steel version of the PM 3-12x50 was the standard scope supplied with the AI AWP at launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Picked it up today! It's an ex Spanish Army one that found it's self redundant after they upgraded to S&B 5-25X50's. I hope to put it all together tomorrow but won't be able to fully test for about 14 days. Unless of course anybody has a good supply of 5.56mm blanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIlswell Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Picked it up today! It's an ex Spanish Army one that found it's self redundant after they upgraded to S&B 5-25X50's. I hope to put it all together tomorrow but won't be able to fully test for about 14 days. Unless of course anybody has a good supply of 5.56mm blanks? Nice one! Does this Spanish issue version have a bespoke reticle or the standard mildot/AI mildot with stadia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Standard AI with stadia. One example I saw which had been sold was painted a digital colour pattern. I'll try and get a picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIlswell Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Looks like they saw some action out in Iraq on the Spanish version of the AW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Looks like they saw some action out in Iraq on the Spanish version of the AW I hadn't relaised that Spain had sent people out there! Half MoA which is perfect for CSR, looking forward to zeroing this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIlswell Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I hadn't relaised that Spain had sent people out there! Half MoA which is perfect for CSR, looking forward to zeroing this! https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.atalayar.com/content/la-batalla-de-najaf-hero%25C3%25ADsmo-espa%25C3%25B1ol-en-irak&prev=search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cad Monkey Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Half MoA which is perfect for CSR, looking forward to zeroing this! Mick, do you intend to use the scope/rifle just for the 300 to 600 stages or 100 to 300 yards as well? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 It's going to be used on all stages Dave, although I do accept it's a lump on an AR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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