Herbert2007 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Hi trying to work out a drop chart for my new scope and have changed from a nightforce with MOA to a pmii (double turn turret) which I was sold it as being mils but I'm getting confused as it says 1cm Klicks. I'm trying to use the Ballistic app for a head start but it offers both as different options 1cm clicks and milrads. Am I being thick and can some one please help as I'm used to MOA Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 1 click equals a POI shift of 1cm at 100m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 1 click = .1 mil = 1cm shift at 100 metres per Johns post above. 10 clicks = 1 mil shift (about 3.6 inches) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert2007 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 It says on the turret 1cm at100m klick So is this .1 milrad or 1cm/100m. Are these the same. Should have stuck with moa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert2007 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 1 click = .1 mil = 1cm shift at 100 metres per Johns post above. 10 clicks = 1 mil shift (about 3.6 inches) Ok that makes sense. Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 They are the same measure expressed in different ways ....just remember that you have a scope which gives you 1 cm POI change at 100m and you will be fine.......I assume that your ballistic app will allow you to enter this graduation and return a shot resolution showing clicks? When changing from MOA the major mental issue is whether or not your 'minds eye' can visualise centimetres on a target vs inches which most of us old farts are used to!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I have to disagree. I find it much more difficult to think in linear distances on the target, because the conversion changes at every distance. It is so much easier once you realise that MOA or Mils are angles. Think how many mils you need to change the point of impact. You can use the reticle to measure the adjustment required. If your scope is First Focal Planet this will also work at any magnification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Shuggy...absolutely no argument from me re your post although 2FP and mixed (moa / mil) turret v reticle markings on many scopes don't help matters much. Familiarity with the concepts and your own gear is the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Shuggy...absolutely no argument from me re your post although 2FP and mixed (moa / mil) turret v reticle markings on many scopes don't help matters much. Familiarity with the concepts and your own gear is the key. You're absolutely right. I've said this before, but I have to wonder why I spent so many years trying to work with 2FP and mixed MOA/Mil scopes and trying to think in linear measurements. FFP and Mil/Mil is so easy by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyr Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 1 milliradian is a measure of angle. It covers 10cm at 100m; 20 cm at 200 and so on, 100cm at 1.000 m. 0,1 milliradian angle covers 1 cm at 100 m. 1 cm clicks means 0,1 milliradian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 You're absolutely right. I've said this before, but I have to wonder why I spent so many years trying to work with 2FP and mixed MOA/Mil scopes and trying to think in linear measurements. FFP and Mil/Mil is so easy by comparison.Gosh this does repeat....m of ANGLE seems well, ....,an angular measurement too.... Of course working in two different units is a recipe for more difficulty than using a common unit.. but which unit is really a matter of choice,each having advantages and disadvantages. There are often easy and difficult ways to do what is essentially basic math : arabic numbers (1,2,3,4 etc) are a whole bunch easier to use when doing logarithms than are Roman numerals (I,II,III,iV....)but both will give the same answer,of course,and so is simple arithmetic-try adding 13543 and 25442 with the same expressed in Roman numerals.....: 13543 I III V IV III 25442 II V IV IV II -------- OR --------------------------- Familiarity of course helps,just as it does to practice either moa or mils. The choice of system is relatively free,but mixing them up is asking for a harder life....until you are fluent in each... 1 III 5 4 III II 5 IV IV 2 _________ 38985 easy peasy or .........III 8 IX VIII 5 or...... Next:we bring you -the Monty Python semaphore version of "Wuthering Heights".....Aaaaaarrrrgggghhh Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well, that's just my point. Mil/Mil or MoA/MoA, whatever floats your boat really, but they are easier to use in FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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