furrybean Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Thanks for that, no I have not owned one but just didn't like the idea of the course adjustment. Thanks very much though, didn't think of it like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Oh for goodness sake!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Those March scopes look very nice! I converted over to FFP and milliradians (adjustment and reticle) a few years ago and I now wonder how I ever coped with SFP and MOA. FFP mil/mil just makes everything easy - reticle markings match adjustments at all magnifications and the adjustments seem easier to remember. The one that puzzles me is why some people insist on referring to mils as 'metric'. Milliradians are an angular measurement and have nothing to do with the metric system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcampbellsmith Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The one that puzzles me is why some people insist on referring to mils as 'metric'. Milliradians are an angular measurement and have nothing to do with the metric system. True, but 1 Mil subtends approximately 1 Metre at a range of 1000 Metres. Therefore 1/10th of a Mildot (1 click on a Metric turret) ~10cm at 1000 Metres and ~1cm at 100 Metres. Very simple maths. Regards JCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 True, but 1 Mil also subtends 1 foot at 1000 feet and 1 yard at 1000 yards. It has nothing to do with the metric system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 True, but 1 Mil also subtends 1 foot at 1000 feet and 1 yard at 1000 yards. It has nothing to do with the metric system. Mils have a decimal basis Degrees Minutes and seconds certainly don't. The metric/imperial comparison certainly strikes me as valid and easy to understand. Meters and cm are decimal, feet and inches aren't......etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Hmm - decimal basis, but only in the sense that 1 Mil is 1/1000 of a Radian, where 2 Pi radians makes a whole circle. It's an angle, so it matters not one bit what linear system is used to measure the dimensions of the circle. Anyway - nice scopes! My apologies for hijacking the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Hmm - decimal basis, but only in the sense that 1 Mil is 1/1000 of a Radian, where 2 Pi radians makes a whole circle. only a decimal basis in the sense that it's a ratio that works in base 10. A relationship where the arc subtended is 1/1000 of the radius is only 'sort of' decimal I'm sure you also know that the working mil isn't actually a mil - rather than the 2 Pi relationship (6283) it'll be either 6000, 6200 or 6400 depending on national military taste - for ease of halving (cardinal points etc) most Westerners are on 6400. And, as a unit of angular measurement invented for military use, it is expressly wedded to the metric system - all Western military mapping is metric. Utility in imperial? Answer this within 5 seconds of reading the question: Calculate the width (in yards or feet) for a gap subtending 15 mRad that you've determined on the map as being 3 miles away. Now do it (width in metres) for a gap subtending 15mRad and that the map tells you is 3km away. (45m is the answer to the second one, worked that out whilst still typing the question.) The mil was designed for military use, artillery, and its design was expressly wedded to practicality with the metric system. Any other comment is sheer pedantry ! Right, back to these new March scopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 The size of these is really appealing, are there any options on turret direction? Having battered my brain and wallet in converting all of my scopes to CW elevation going back to CCW would be painful. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Hi Tony Watch this space will be able to advise more after the shot show, there is a possibility of this in the future. I now have pricing: both FFP and 2FP models are the same price: 3-24x52mm & 2.5-25x52mm Non illuminated in MIL and MOA £1852.98 + vat Illuminated: £2208.24 + vat Same choice of rets as in the 42mm versions. also while I am at it all 2014 March Scopes (apart from Benchrest) will come with flip caps these are also available to retro fit, they are good quality and will flip and turn to the side of the scope, we should have this late Jan (nothing like the Butler creek caps) regards Gary March Scopes UK 01293 606901 The size of these is really appealing, are there any options on turret direction? Having battered my brain and wallet in converting all of my scopes to CW elevation going back to CCW would be painful. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 What is the pricing on the scope caps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Hi Gary the scope caps would sell as a stand alone,,,,sizes to fit S&B would be attractive,, Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 John/Andy Caps will be £30 per set(front and rear objective) or £15 each, they will be a screw in rather than push over fit, not sure if this would suit the other brands, once I get a set (demo due very soon) I will know more. It's taken us 2 years to get this far so I am extremely pleased to get something to compliment the scope rather than push over plastic/leather caps. Good weekend Regards Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 March F 3-24 x 52 more new photo's here" : http://marchscopes.com/tactical-3-24-x-52-ffp.html I changed my order. Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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