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Hi all,

 

what i am after is what rifle bedding compound is there in the uk which is black in colour as it seems that most are grey in colour.

 

can anyone help.

 

regards

chris

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Loctite Hysol - I seem to recall that is pretty dark - maybe Vice could advise better on this.

 

 

I use Devcon Putty A or Titanium compounds - both are dark grey when set.

 

If u are careful you will end up with minimal visible line of compound around action.

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Hysol is dark when set, but "silvers " slightly when machined. The darkest available here , is devcon ordinary. Marine tex is blackest, but its unavailable here, and it shrinks. I,ve worked on two guns in the last month which were bedded with it, and the actions were as slack as a second hand arsehole in their respective stocks. It sure looks nice....but handsome is, as handsome does. In my opinion, if an action is slack....it can move.

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Hysol is dark when set, but "silvers " slightly when machined. The darkest available here , is devcon ordinary. Marine tex is blackest, but its unavailable here, and it shrinks. I,ve worked on two guns in the last month which were bedded with it, and the actions were as slack as a second hand arsehole in their respective stocks. It sure looks nice....but handsome is, as handsome does. In my opinion, if an action is slack....it can move.

 

Dave could a gel die not be added at mixing stage ?

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Yes it could. I was actually looking for some just the other day for a friend. We had boxes of the old acraglass kicking about with black and brown dyes in them. Guess who threw them out not a bloody month ago. <_<

I would bet that all could be dyed with fabric dyes. Doesn,t usually bother me, as i paint over the bedding lines on stock tops etc, and most people dont seem bothered about the colour anyway.

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Dave,

 

Interested in your findings Re. MarinTex. Made me go and look at the rifles I've either done or been done by others using this compound, been using this stuff for about 10 years myself with no problems. Must admit when I first used it as opposed to Devcon putty and fluid i was dubious as it was 'cheap' (and therefore the assumption 'no good').

 

Do you know who did the original bed? Was it overall shrinkage?

 

Cheers

 

Terry

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Is acraglas or marine tex polyester based? I know devcon is epoxy based just

not sure if all others are too. Polyester normally has around 2% shrinkage.

What could work very well as bedding material is a black mould resin.

Biggest advantage is that it will be very shiny. The americans always

seem to rate the quality of a bedding job by the shine......

edi

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Edi,

 

MarineTex is Epoxy based ( see: http://www.marinetex.com/ ). I've not had any shrinkage problems which I why I'm interested in Dave's findings as he is (no smoke blowing here) a reliable guy and sees/does a lot of rifles.

 

As to the 'shine', depends what your bedding up to. I found when using the old faithful Devcon I'd use the 'putty' followed by the liquid to get a real nice finish. I only went to MarineTex as my tubs of Devcon had gone off and after a bit a reserch found that MarineTex was being used by some pretty reliable rifle builders in the US (GAP, KMW and the US Marine corp to name a few :lol: ).

 

I tried MarineTex grey and found it nice to work with, about the consistency of clotted cream, cleaned up easy and could be worked/machined once set. Like any 'glue' there might be problems with mixing? who knows, it comes in small pre weighed packs or tubs, I like the packs as there is no error in mix ratios.

 

As I said Dave's comment made me go and check my rifles, the odest bedding that I've done is now 10 years+ and the action still had to be 'pry'd' out of the stock.

 

Brgds Terry

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I have 3 rifles all bedded with MarineTex by Mike Norris. The oldest is 8 years old and the newest 1.5 years old. In each case the action has to be pried out of the stock, there is no hint of looseness...My 2c,

 

Finman

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Perhaps its just the two particular guns i,ve seen then ?

Never having used the stuff myself, i cant comment on usage.

 

I,ve also used the delta stuff too. Sticking with devcon, there is nothing on the market as hard, or with any less shrinkage.

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+ 1 for Devcon

 

 

will not use anything else.

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My main gunsmith does lots of bedding jobs and has used a wide variety of compounds. He really rates MarineTex and was surprised by your comments Dave.

 

Chris-NZ

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Vince,

 

Unfortunatly no, but I've not done a thorough serch, as it's not too important for me as they are only for 'personal use' :)

 

I do have a couple of spare packs from my last haul if you want some?

 

Brgds Terry

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OFTP,

 

Basically none that are black. Best I can suggest is make you cutting out neat and slim (do the top bit where the action and stock meets in a mill) then use a 'Sharpie' to colour what bedding can eventually be seen black.

 

Re. adding colourant - personally I would not do this. Having used platics and epoxies etc. commercially pretty much all colourings can effect the mechanical strength or longevity of 'plastics' to some degree (regardless of what the manufacturers say) so I'd avoid them.

 

Brgds Terry

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cheers terry but on the link for the 6.5x47 rifle been built, under gun porn they are using a black bedding compound. i cannot understand that the rifle builders in the uk are all putting grey bedding compounds onto black and dark coloured stocks which would not look cosmetically pleasing or am i missing it somewhere.

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I use a blackish bedding material, but mix it myself.

I mix an aero approved resin with an adjustable pot life first, then add

the fillers I think are right for the job. Large percentage of

small chopped carbon fibers but have also used ceramics before.

I find carbon very good because it is light stiff/strong and has good heat transfer.

The resin is the same as the stocks are made of meaning the temper treatment

works for stock and bedding.

edi

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Ive been bedding rifles since I have had a FAC - always used Devcon, although I tried marinetex once (dont like the consistancy personally - but it obviously works for others).

 

 

Never, ever had any problem with Devcon.

 

Mixed correctly it works 100%

 

 

The dark grey colour - semantics really - the visible line bettween action and stock is usually less than an stanly blades width anyway - its what lies underneath that matters...

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OFTP,

 

Basically none that are black. Best I can suggest is make you cutting out neat and slim (do the top bit where the action and stock meets in a mill) then use a 'Sharpie' to colour what bedding can eventually be seen black.

 

Re. adding colourant - personally I would not do this. Having used platics and epoxies etc. commercially pretty much all colourings can effect the mechanical strength or longevity of 'plastics' to some degree (regardless of what the manufacturers say) so I'd avoid them.

 

Brgds Terry

 

Basically they are 'loaded' epoxies so adding a little black powdered dye will not really affect mechanical strength, you are bedding for support at the end of the day.

I use devcon titanium paste. I have no qualms about adding dye to epoxy but then I have used epoxies for 30+ years!

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Ronny,

 

I think you've knocked the nail on the head, if a person gets the results he's lookng for with a particular product he will stick with it.

 

Both Devcon and MarineTex have proven track records, probably comes down to what you can get hold of.

 

Brgds Terry

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